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Ask Anthony Graves about the 'fair and impartial' trial he received. Ask him about how the prosecutor withheld evidence, and intimidated witnesses just to win at any price. This did not occur fifty years ago either. The prosecutor who pulled these shenanigans (actually he broke the law he is sworn to uphold) is still on the bar, probably to be a judge one day. Nonetheless. Things are twisted today. We free the guilty and incarcerate the innocent. Or worse, hand down ridiculous sentences to non violent offenders and let the dangerous ones walk. Our system(s) need fixing. I do not believe executing everyone is the answer; that is a temporary fix to a MUCH LARGER problem. Nor do I believe insulting people who feel or think differently solves a thing. But, thats just me.

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Beterave I know it's mentally challengng for you to stay on topic but Graves can be discussed here :

http://off2dr.com/modules/smf/index.php?topic=603.0

Just a reminder this thread is about Wrinkles.

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Ask Anthony Graves about the 'fair and impartial' trial he received. Ask him about how the prosecutor withheld evidence, and intimidated witnesses just to win at any price. This did not occur fifty years ago either. The prosecutor who pulled these shenanigans (actually he broke the law he is sworn to uphold) is still on the bar, probably to be a judge one day. Nonetheless. Things are twisted today. We free the guilty and incarcerate the innocent. Or worse, hand down ridiculous sentences to non violent offenders and let the dangerous ones walk. Our system(s) need fixing. I do not believe executing everyone is the answer; that is a temporary fix to a MUCH LARGER problem. Nor do I believe insulting people who feel or think differently solves a thing. But, thats just me.



beterave,

The problem here  is that I didn't insult you because you think differently, I insulted you because you put out so much garrulous misinformation and state it as the actual truth.  Also you accuse of us thinking things we never thought of before. 

HINT: Stay on topic.  This thread is about Wrinkles and his guilt in murdering his wife and her family.  Yet you come on here and start making statements about someone else whom you are just sure is innocent, and is probably just as guilty as hell, using that example as PROOF you are always right.

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has any news concerning "Mr" wrinkles come out yet, after his stay ??
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According to Rick Halperin's site, Wrinkles has been given a new execution date--December 11th.

http://people.smu.edu/rhalperi/pending.html

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Execution Date Set For Matthew Wrinkles

Tuesday, Nov 3, 2009 @12:20pm CST

A new execution date has been set for a death row inmate from Vanderburgh County.
The Indiana Supreme Court has ordered Matthew Wrinkles to die on December 11th.
A jury convicted Wrinkles on three counts of murder for killing his estranged wife Debbie, her brother Mark Fulkerson, and his wife Natalie.
The murders occurred on Evansville's north side in 1994.

http://mywabashvalley.com/content/fulltext/?cid=107572&src=tristatehomepage.com


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The Indiana Supreme Court has set an execution date for Eric Wrinkles, the Evansville man convicted in the 1994 slayings of his estranged wife and two relatives.

Wrinkles is to be executed before sunrise the morning of Dec. 11, according to an order filed Tuesday.

He was found guilty of the July 21, 1994, shooting deaths of his estranged wife, Debra Jean Wrinkles, 31; her brother, Mark "Tony" Fulkerson, 28; and Fulkerson's wife, Natalie "Chris" Fulkerson, 26.

As the execution date nears, neither of the victims' mothers is sure it will bring closure to the horrific crime. Neither wants to witness Wrinkles' death, and one actively is campaigning to have his death sentence commuted to life in prison without parole.

In the intervening years, Mae McIntire, mother of Debra Wrinkles and Mark Fulkerson, has developed a relationship with Wrinkles' mother. McIntire said she began calling and visiting Wrinkles' mother after the trial, because like herself, she sees his family as victims, as well.

"When I talked to her, I never mentioned Eric, and she never mentioned him to me. I have nothing against the family for what he did," she said.

"And I don't know how his mother can get rid of something like that in her mind."

McIntire said she does not plan on witnessing Wrinkle's execution. She is not convinced that watching the final moments of Wrinkles' life would grant her closure.

"My closure will be just knowing that he's not here anymore," she said.

Mary Winnecke, the mother of victim Natalie Fulkerson, received the news of Wrinkles' execution date early Tuesday.

"It knocked me over," she said. "I didn't expect the courts to do anything until the first of the year, and I was just completely knocked over. ... Having Eric executed just rubs salt in my wounds. The pain just comes rushing back. Everything, all the emotions, just bounce off the walls."

Since Wrinkles was sentenced, Winnecke has forgiven Wrinkles, and as a devout Catholic, she prays Wrinkles will ask for God's forgiveness. She has a message for Wrinkles: "Please get on your knees and ask God for forgiveness."

Over the summer, she began a letter-writing campaign to the governor's office, asking that Wrinkles' sentence be converted to life in prison. And yet, aside from making additional calls to the governor, she's "not sure what else to do" to spare Wrinkles' life.

But because of her religious beliefs and out of respect for her daughter, someone who Winnecke said "loved life" and "loved other people," she doesn't plan to see Wrinkles' execution. "Who wants to see somebody die? I mean, why would anybody want to see that?" she said.

Lengthy process

Vanderburgh County Prosecutor Stan Levco sought the death penalty for Wrinkles. Before Wrinkles' trial began, Levco met with the victims' family members and told them that a death penalty sentence for Wrinkles would be a lengthy process.

Finding Wrinkles guilty wasn't difficult, Levco said, but convincing the jury Wrinkles should be sentenced to death was a challenge. And now, a possible execution date is just more than a month away.

"This has been a long, drawn-out process, but I think that, ultimately, it's the right decision," he said.

During the trial, Levco said one of Wrinkles' main arguments was his history of drug abuse, but when he took the stand without the presence of drugs, he was disruptive.

"I remember cross-examining him and remember thinking that he was very belligerent on the witness stand," Levco said. "It's hard to say if that aided our case, but it certainly didn't aid his case."

The Indiana Attorney General's Office notified the state Supreme Court in May that Wrinkles' federal appeals were exhausted when the U.S. Supreme Court on May 18 declined to hear his case.

Before setting the date, the Indiana Supreme Court first considered an additional appeal from Wrinkles regarding a 2002 opinion in which it ruled a stun belt he wore during his trial did not bias jurors.

That order, written by Indiana Chief Justice Randall T. Shepard, states that Wrinkles did not "meet his burden of establishing a reasonable possibility that he is entitled to post-conviction relief." It leaves open the possibility for petitioning for a rehearing, but says it should "not be sought if Wrinkles intends merely to raise the same arguments (the court) has already addressed."

source: courierpress.com


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My reason for supporting capital punishment: My cousin 16 yr. old Amanda Greenwell was murdered in March of 2004 at the hands of serial killer Jeremy Bryan Jones.

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I wanted to mention something about this very sad and very preventable murders...My one big question is why did this lady not get a handgun to protect herself and kids?  I realize this is a touch subject but I really wish this could of turned out that 1 bad perp dead breaking and entering and violating a restraining order.  I did a search for the execution and cannot find anything..Hope this POS murderer gets his day soon. :D :D :D


Debbie did have a hand gun...she shot and hit Eric in the arm, but it wasn't enough to stop him.

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I wanted to mention something about this very sad and very preventable murders...My one big question is why did this lady not get a handgun to protect herself and kids?  I realize this is a touch subject but I really wish this could of turned out that 1 bad perp dead breaking and entering and violating a restraining order.  I did a search for the execution and cannot find anything..Hope this POS murderer gets his day soon. :D :D :D


Debbie did have a hand gun...she shot and hit Eric in the arm, but it wasn't enough to stop him.


Directly,

It sounds like you may be a family member or a friend of this lady.  If so, I would like to extend my condolences to you.  You have found your way to the right place. :-*

Kryten,

One thing most people do not understand, is that the victim either once loved this person, or still does love that person who is trying to harm her.  When they do defend themselves, they don't usually want to kill the person who is trying to harm, only stop them from hurting her. 

Also, she may have been nervous and her aim was off and she was not able to get off a second shot.  That could have made him even madder and caused him to finish the job this time.  We just don't know.

But what I do know is that a question like that blames the victim for their own death in not protecting herself or her kids.  Instead of asking why the woman does not get a handgun to protect herself, we should be asking why this murderer thinks he has the right to kill her?
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Debbie did have a hand gun...she shot and hit Eric in the arm, but it wasn't enough to stop him.


I am also assuming you are somehow related to Debbie or a friend. You have my most heart wrenching condolences. I also want to welcome you to the site.


If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -Thomas Paine

My reason for supporting capital punishment: My cousin 16 yr. old Amanda Greenwell was murdered in March of 2004 at the hands of serial killer Jeremy Bryan Jones.

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I knew Eric since he was in high school,long before he was ever involved in drugs of any kind.I knew the Wrinkles family very well. I also knew about the abuse his father dished out to the entire family,forever scarring them.Eric has always had a loose wire temper because of that. I also knew his mother,loving though she was,,could not get him to control himself,,almost to the point of neglect. His brother Mark did not help either by constantly antagonizing Eric either. This was all a formula for disaster. Eric always had anger in him,and I  tried to help him learn how to control it,,by working out with weights and riding a bicycle,or playing sports of some kind! A positive outlet for his aggression!
He seemed to be doing well and for years,it seemed he had it under control. I knew he was messing around with meth,even warned him it would make him paranoid and over enlarge his heart.He did not listen of course,because Eric always did things his way. His idea of freedom I guess. I have seen too many instances of Eric losing control over the years,way too many to describe in here.

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I knew Eric since he was in high school,long before he was ever involved in drugs of any kind.I knew the Wrinkles family very well. I also knew about the abuse his father dished out to the entire family,forever scarring them.Eric has always had a loose wire temper because of that. I also knew his mother,loving though she was,,could not get him to control himself,,almost to the point of neglect. His brother Mark did not help either by constantly antagonizing Eric either. This was all a formula for disaster. Eric always had anger in him,and I  tried to help him learn how to control it,,by working out with weights and riding a bicycle,or playing sports of some kind! A positive outlet for his aggression!
He seemed to be doing well and for years,it seemed he had it under control. I knew he was messing around with meth,even warned him it would make him paranoid and over enlarge his heart.He did not listen of course,because Eric always did things his way. His idea of freedom I guess. I have seen too many instances of Eric losing control over the years,way too many to describe in here.


It is hard to see someone you thought of as a friend go bad.  To know that no matter what you did to help him it did not work.  You need to know that the fault is not yours.  The fault lies within himself, and you carry no guilt in what he did.

From what you have described as his home life there was domestic violence which was ongoing for all his formative years.  You can thank Eric's father and grandfathers on back through his ancestry for helping to make him the person he became.  You can even say that Eric learned and modeled his behavior on his father's teachings. 

But please don't put so much blame "his mother,loving though she was,,could not get him to control himself,,almost to the point of neglect."  Women in domestic violence situations spend an inordinate amount of time trying to appease their abuser, to keep him from hurting her children, thus the appearance of neglect. 

What you describe as his home life is the typical abusive home.  He not only inherited the genetics and predisposition towards violence, he also learned the ins and out of violence, power and control at his father's knees. 

In homes where domestic violence is the norm, the children are 10 times more likely to also be the target of abuse by the abusing parent.  Especially as they age and become more independent of the abuser.  The boys usually go one of 2 ways.  They either become abusers themselves, or they become protective of women if they have learned some gentleness and love of their mothers and sisters.  Usually they become abusers themselves. Their role models see to it that they disrespect women in the home, women in general, and other people's rights, learning to bully and to take what they please.

That you were a good friend to him and tried to teach him the self control, he was not learning at home, is commendable in you.  But without intense help and a mentor, he was never going to GET IT.  That's why I say, don't ever blame yourself or feel guilt for what he did.  He was a time bomb disaster looking for a place to happen.  Just be thankful you were not with him when he blew up and were not involved or implicated in his crimes.

I wish you the best as you mourn your friend and the lost friendship with him.  :-*
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I talked Eric out of committing suicide just about 2 weeks before this! He stuck a gun in his mouth twice while he was visitng me! I had to get my father and 11 year old daughter out of the house!I was more scared for them,than I was for myself! In hind sight I should have been concerned for my own safety! We drove around for hours after I got him out of the house!We ended up back at his house!We usually went in the front door,not this time,the back door! I saw why after we got in the house,there was a 2x4 wedged against the front door.He set the gun down on the coffee table in the living room in front of me,while he changed clothes. I picked it up and noticed there was no bullet in the chamber. Then I knew he was playing some kind of game on me.I knew he was gonna do something and it crossed my mind to kill him right then and there,but not my nature.Then this all happened and then it made me feel I should have killed him.Then Tony,Natalie,and Debbie would still be alive.I would be the murderer then.It would have been like shooting a rabid dog,but again,I was a friend,not a killer! I had nightmares for years after this,still do sometimes! That gun was a 9mm,not the 357 he used for the murders! I knew him over 20 years before this!

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I talked Eric out of committing suicide just about 2 weeks before this! He stuck a gun in his mouth twice while he was visitng me! I had to get my father and 11 year old daughter out of the house!I was more scared for them,than I was for myself! In hind sight I should have been concerned for my own safety! We drove around for hours after I got him out of the house!We ended up back at his house!We usually went in the front door,not this time,the back door! I saw why after we got in the house,there was a 2x4 wedged against the front door.He set the gun down on the coffee table in the living room in front of me,while he changed clothes. I picked it up and noticed there was no bullet in the chamber. Then I knew he was playing some kind of game on me.I knew he was gonna do something and it crossed my mind to kill him right then and there,but not my nature.Then this all happened and then it made me feel I should have killed him.Then Tony,Natalie,and Debbie would still be alive.I would be the murderer then.It would have been like shooting a rabid dog,but again,I was a friend,not a killer! I had nightmares for years after this,still do sometimes! That gun was a 9mm,not the 357 he used for the murders! I knew him over 20 years before this!


Abusers frequently threaten to commit suicide, usually to their spouse, but sometimes to their friends. This is part of the manipulation and exerting their power and control over their victims.  Make no mistake about it, he victimized you as well as his family.  He has left you on a guilt trip you may never get over.

When you said, "I knew he was gonna do something and it crossed my mind to kill him right then and there,but not my nature.Then this all happened and then it made me feel I should have killed him."  That was your gut instinct telling you this was one bad dude and you should get away from him or he was going to harm you or your family. 

Even if you had turned him in for that, you would probably have become a target yourself.  And generally, I would say that you were very lucky to have walked away alive that day.  I would bet dollars to donuts, it went through his mind more than once to kill you that day while you were trying to save his life.  That's the nature of the beast you were dealing with.

But you are so right.  If you had killed him then, you would be the one in prison instead of him.  You did right in leaving him alive, whether you feel the guilt from it or not.  Better to be living with survivor guilt, than rotting in prison as a murderer for the rest of your life.  You are not a murderer and did not let him push you into becoming one.

If he did not tell you or even hint at it, you did not know he was going to kill those people.  Don't take on the guilt for the murders he committed.  The onus for what he did is on him, not you.  It is not your fault.

Being around someone for 20 years, does not mean you really know them.  Remember that.  All of us keep some things tucked away within ourselves privately that prevents others from really "knowing" us.

Your posts tell me you are suffering with survivor guilt and probably some PTSD.  A counselor could help you if you would talk to them. :-* :-*
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I had my daughter for the summer that year this happened,needed to spend some quality time with her. Glad I did,my daughter kept me from being in this deeper than I was.Lindsey and her were good friends!THANK YOU GOD! I was over at Eric and Debbie's quite a bit,not only for dinner,but just to visit friends.My wife and Debbie worked together a few years,until  my wife and I divorced,so I knew her to! Eric and Debbie used to have Super Bowl parties at their house every year and I was invited,so I went. That's where I met Tony and Natalie,and their kids! I don't remember ever  meeting Tracy Hobgood! We always had a good time with those super bowl parties. To be honest,I was over there many many times and I never ever saw abuse as it is defined.The last 3 to 4 months before this, I was not over there very much.I was working on computers,a hobby of mine,plus time with my daughter! I have been thru therapy,but this still haunts me and will for the rest of my life.I have learned to live with it,to the best of my ability! I believe in the death penalty,even if you know the person!I still remember Eric's words the night he tried to commit suicide!
 "Someone has to stop a guy getting screwed over like this in a divorce and I'm the one who will stop it"!That's what I meant about knowing he was going to do something! I asked if he wanted to leave a legacy like that to his kids,he never answered me! Well I guess he did later with what he did!