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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2008, 03:07:00 PM »
GoB,

What Black Star said is this case makes her step back and rethink her anti dp views. This is such a brutal case and so heart wrenching.  Black Star is also saying Texas Law is Texas LAw and the ICJ has no say in it, so the punishment should stand, even though she is against the DP, in this case, it is appropriate.

Or at least that is how I interpreted this post.  Black Star is ok,  we just have to just be patient and help educate some more.


This is exactly what I mean. Thanks!  :)

But... her, she...?  ???


Thank you both for clarifying.  I just wasn't sure by the way it was worded.  At first I thought that was what HE said, but then I read it again and was not sure.

Black Star I am glad to see that you do believe in punishment for the guilty after all. :-*

You are not as naive as I first thought you were, OR else being on this website has helped to clarify your view a little.  Either way, that's a good thing. :-* :-*
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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2008, 03:49:14 PM »
I'll be sure to cook up something special for this dirt bags send off.
This POS deserves a final desert. A 3 part 'Cocktail' with a chaser.
Adios *&^ hat...

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2008, 11:25:31 PM »
I sure do believe in it, Gob. I am not sure whether ending a life is really anti-crime, nor the way justice works in Texas is always indisputable. But in the end, I can imagine the parents waiting for the death of those offenders.

As written in the statement of that Bishop victim's family: do not judge until you have experienced the loss of a familymember. And that's my problem, I haven't, so maybe I can't.

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2008, 12:46:00 AM »
To be honest, this is one case I feel disspointed that the possibility that he sauffers during the execution is low. I would like that they send him for a few hours in gen pop during the wardens make a small lunch. His way out of this world is too easy for that crime he had been commited with his basta** friends.

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2008, 02:15:33 AM »
As I mentioned before i am not a huge fan of the DP because there are too many mistakes in some cases. I think the DP is for the worst of the worst and this is one of it.... the clown has to be removed....

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #50 on: July 25, 2008, 08:49:24 AM »
BLAH BLAH BLAH - Oh poor Jose, he didn't get to speak to a Mexican consulate, awwwwwwwwwww, hell he had only lived here since he was 3 years old and he DID get a lawyer curtousy of the taxpayers of the great state of Texas, so I urge, URGE Governor Perry not to cower to the pressures of the ICJ, proceed with this execution AS SCHEDULED and without ANY further delay!   >:( >:( >:(

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Medellin death penalty case exposes hollow Texas brand of gunslinger politics
10:30 AM ET


Bryan McCann [Campaign to End the Death Penalty, Austin, TX Chapter]: "Two years ago, a fellow anti-death penalty activist and I participated in a public debate on the University of Texas campus with the Young Conservatives of Texas (YCT). No one was surprised when the YCT's first plan of attack was to read - verbatim - a detailed account of the particularly gruesome gang rape and murder of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena. Their strategy represents an all too familiar method of arguing in favor of the death penalty. Who would have the audacity to argue race, class, or international law when confronted with the ghastly killings of two beautiful teenage girls? Where there is mourning and outrage, there is often little room for analysis.

The death of those two girls in 1993 was no doubt a traumatic affair for their families and Houston community. But much like the YCT used the tragedy that befell Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena at our public debate to ignore fundamental structural problems with the death penalty, Texas Governor Rick Perry is using it, coupled with his usual brand of Lone Star ethos, to ignore international law. As courageous groups like Murder Victims' Families for Human Rights have long attested, such manipulation does little to ease the pain of devastated families.

If Texas gets its way, Joe Medellin will be the second of the five men sentenced to death for the Ertman and Pena murders to be executed. However, his pending execution date of August 5 has become a topic of considerable international controversy. Though Derrick O’Brien, who was executed in 2006 for the crimes, was a native of Texas, Joe Medellin is a Mexican national. He was denied access to a Mexican consulate for legal assistance during his original trial. This flagrant affront to international law enshrined in the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations prompted the International Court of Justice to issue a 2004 order to stay Medellin's execution. This prompted none other than President Bush to issue a memorandum ordering Texas to halt the executions and review the convictions of the Mexican nationals, including Medellin, mentioned in the ICJ order. When George W. Bush, former Governor of Texas, is issuing orders to honor international law and halt executions, the stakes are clearly very high.

Yet, in March, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush had overstepped his boundaries and Texas may proceed with the execution of Medellin and other inmates forced to navigate Texas criminal law without consular advice. In response to a more recent order by the ICJ, Perry’s office responded with its typical frontier zeal:


The world court [ICJ] has no standing in Texas and Texas is not bound by a ruling or edict from a foreign court. It is easy to get caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties. It's very important to remember that these individuals are on death row for killing our citizens.

This is familiar language from Perry's office. When the European Union issued a declaration on the eve of Texas’ 400th execution since 1982, encouraging the state to place a moratorium on executions, the Office of the Governor replied:


230 years ago, our forefathers fought a war to throw off the yoke of a European monarch and gain the freedom of self-determination. Texans long ago decided that the death penalty is a just and appropriate punishment for the most horrible crimes committed against our citizens. While we respect our friends in Europe, welcome their investment in our state and appreciate their interest in our laws, Texans are doing just fine governing Texas.

"These individuals are on death row for killing our citizens." "Texans are doing just fine governing Texas." It seems the Lone Star State’s busy death row is nothing less than an homage to the spirit of American and Texas independence, international law be damned. Such populist appeals resonate all too well with what I believe to be one of the finest articulations of how capital punishment operates in American society. Legal scholar Austin Sarat writes, "State killing is part of a strategy of governance that makes us fearful and dependent on the illusion of state protection, that divides rather than unites, that promises simple solutions to complex problems."

The death penalty in Texas and elsewhere requires simplicity. There is no need to get "caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties" when we can view the poisoning of convicted criminals as a testament to our rugged collective identity. As we quickly learned at our public debate two years ago, the death penalty cannot withstand the slightest amount of complexity. The closer one looks, the more unsightly this depraved institution becomes. Whether it be the risk of making Americans abroad more vulnerable to prosecution because of their government's disdain for international law or the well documented socio-economic disparities that permeate the nation's death rows, the complexities of capital punishment are ultimately its undoing. Thus, Rick Perry's usual brand of gunslinger politics – all too similar to that of his predecessor – is about much more than his own Texan roots. It is the lifeblood of a cruel and ineffective state sanction that allows him to convince ordinary Texans that he is on our side. When Texas ranks 37th in spending on public education, it is little surprise that Perry and his colleagues cling so dearly to this irreparably broken strategy of governance."

source: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/hotline/2008/07/medellin-death-penalty-case-exposes.php


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My reason for supporting capital punishment: My cousin 16 yr. old Amanda Greenwell was murdered in March of 2004 at the hands of serial killer Jeremy Bryan Jones.

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2008, 10:11:12 AM »
Anything new about this case?
how things are going?
Will jose meet justice and get his day with the needle?





















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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2008, 12:40:19 PM »
you know something this pos Micheal will have experienced i am sure plenty of suffering befor the neddle. you see i dont think its the actual thing as in the couple of minutes before i think it is the waiting- maybe the few days, weeks or hours, minutes before- u pros can be sure of that, i know one thing i think he should suffer real bad just not with the execution- you see i totally believe he should suffer but then its all over and well hey.....

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2008, 12:55:07 PM »
Sorry for this guy nats? Was that the reason for the Mail?  8)

You are right when you write that the time before the execution is not very comfortable for him, but if you want you can read the details of the crime he was part of. I think he´s one of the worst, not comparable to a Hood or Bishop. The details of this crime make me sick. A clean execution, a last meal and so on is much more than he gave to his victims.

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2008, 03:15:23 PM »
BLAH BLAH BLAH - Oh poor Jose, he didn't get to speak to a Mexican consulate, awwwwwwwwwww, hell he had only lived here since he was 3 years old and he DID get a lawyer curtousy of the taxpayers of the great state of Texas, so I urge, URGE Governor Perry not to cower to the pressures of the ICJ, proceed with this execution AS SCHEDULED and without ANY further delay!   >:( >:( >:(

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Medellin death penalty case exposes hollow Texas brand of gunslinger politics
10:30 AM ET


Bryan McCann [Campaign to End the Death Penalty, Austin, TX Chapter]: "Two years ago, a fellow anti-death penalty activist and I participated in a public debate on the University of Texas campus with the Young Conservatives of Texas (YCT). No one was surprised when the YCT's first plan of attack was to read - verbatim - a detailed account of the particularly gruesome gang rape and murder of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena. Their strategy represents an all too familiar method of arguing in favor of the death penalty. Who would have the audacity to argue race, class, or international law when confronted with the ghastly killings of two beautiful teenage girls? Where there is mourning and outrage, there is often little room for analysis.

The death of those two girls in 1993 was no doubt a traumatic affair for their families and Houston community. But much like the YCT used the tragedy that befell Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena at our public debate to ignore fundamental structural problems with the death penalty, Texas Governor Rick Perry is using it, coupled with his usual brand of Lone Star ethos, to ignore international law. As courageous groups like Murder Victims' Families for Human Rights have long attested, such manipulation does little to ease the pain of devastated families.

If Texas gets its way, Joe Medellin will be the second of the five men sentenced to death for the Ertman and Pena murders to be executed. However, his pending execution date of August 5 has become a topic of considerable international controversy. Though Derrick O’Brien, who was executed in 2006 for the crimes, was a native of Texas, Joe Medellin is a Mexican national. He was denied access to a Mexican consulate for legal assistance during his original trial. This flagrant affront to international law enshrined in the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations prompted the International Court of Justice to issue a 2004 order to stay Medellin's execution. This prompted none other than President Bush to issue a memorandum ordering Texas to halt the executions and review the convictions of the Mexican nationals, including Medellin, mentioned in the ICJ order. When George W. Bush, former Governor of Texas, is issuing orders to honor international law and halt executions, the stakes are clearly very high.

Yet, in March, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Bush had overstepped his boundaries and Texas may proceed with the execution of Medellin and other inmates forced to navigate Texas criminal law without consular advice. In response to a more recent order by the ICJ, Perry’s office responded with its typical frontier zeal:


The world court [ICJ] has no standing in Texas and Texas is not bound by a ruling or edict from a foreign court. It is easy to get caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties. It's very important to remember that these individuals are on death row for killing our citizens.

This is familiar language from Perry's office. When the European Union issued a declaration on the eve of Texas’ 400th execution since 1982, encouraging the state to place a moratorium on executions, the Office of the Governor replied:


230 years ago, our forefathers fought a war to throw off the yoke of a European monarch and gain the freedom of self-determination. Texans long ago decided that the death penalty is a just and appropriate punishment for the most horrible crimes committed against our citizens. While we respect our friends in Europe, welcome their investment in our state and appreciate their interest in our laws, Texans are doing just fine governing Texas.

"These individuals are on death row for killing our citizens." "Texans are doing just fine governing Texas." It seems the Lone Star State’s busy death row is nothing less than an homage to the spirit of American and Texas independence, international law be damned. Such populist appeals resonate all too well with what I believe to be one of the finest articulations of how capital punishment operates in American society. Legal scholar Austin Sarat writes, "State killing is part of a strategy of governance that makes us fearful and dependent on the illusion of state protection, that divides rather than unites, that promises simple solutions to complex problems."

The death penalty in Texas and elsewhere requires simplicity. There is no need to get "caught up in discussions of international law and justice and treaties" when we can view the poisoning of convicted criminals as a testament to our rugged collective identity. As we quickly learned at our public debate two years ago, the death penalty cannot withstand the slightest amount of complexity. The closer one looks, the more unsightly this depraved institution becomes. Whether it be the risk of making Americans abroad more vulnerable to prosecution because of their government's disdain for international law or the well documented socio-economic disparities that permeate the nation's death rows, the complexities of capital punishment are ultimately its undoing. Thus, Rick Perry's usual brand of gunslinger politics – all too similar to that of his predecessor – is about much more than his own Texan roots. It is the lifeblood of a cruel and ineffective state sanction that allows him to convince ordinary Texans that he is on our side. When Texas ranks 37th in spending on public education, it is little surprise that Perry and his colleagues cling so dearly to this irreparably broken strategy of governance."

source: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/hotline/2008/07/medellin-death-penalty-case-exposes.php


i left the comment "for years, i have yet to hear a rational word from bryan mccann, and this idiocy keeps his record intact."
i doubt that it shows up since comments have to be approved by the author of the blog, but, he'll see it.  that's the point

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2008, 05:47:42 PM »
folks  i have  been following this case for a long while, and while most folks(read scumbags) who make it to dr..deserve it for the most part...this little azzhole deserves it the most and deserves no, none, not even a little bit, of sympathy.To brutally rape,sodomize, bludgeon, and then murder two little girls, who's only mistake, was to be in the wrong place , at the wrong time goes beyond the pale, unfortunately for this little azzhole, he will die quickly, relatively painlessly, and with his dignity(wtf) intact, i  can only pray the ertmans,and pena family can gain some small amount of closure for a horrific journey through hell .....
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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2008, 12:22:42 AM »
micheal i think you missunderstood my post- i am saying i do think he should suffer real bad!

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2008, 07:33:57 AM »
Oh in this case I´m sorry.  :-*

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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2008, 04:51:52 PM »
micheal i think you missunderstood my post- i am saying i do think he should suffer real bad!


Does this mean you are not totally anti dp?

Or What?  ???
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Re: Jose Medellin - TX - 8/5/08
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2008, 11:02:56 PM »
micheal i think you missunderstood my post- i am saying i do think he should suffer real bad!


Does this mean you are not totally anti dp?



Or What?  ???



The board made a good job GoB! We shpuld give up no soul.  ;D

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