Reasons why the Death Penalty does work!

[Dilligaf]

According to Maiken, because they are actually innocent, misunderstood people who cannot get anyone to listen to them. Oh the horror of the system......

[Elric of Melnibone]

JT, the only thing I can think of is nothing.  Tnere is NOTHING that would stop that.  The case in point is robert pruett, who murdered a corrections officer in Texas.  Another is curtis algier, who murdered a Corrections Officer in Utah, excaped from a hospital, and held people hostage.  No trial as yet, but I am hoping he gets the death penalty for murdereing the Officer.
There has to be a line where if it is crossed, your life is foreit.

Mexico does not have such a line.  No wonder the narcotrafficers have nothing to fear.

[JTiscool]

JT, the only thing I can think of is nothing.  Tnere is NOTHING that would stop that.  The case in point is robert pruett, who murdered a corrections officer in Texas.  Another is curtis algier, who murdered a Corrections Officer in Utah, excaped from a hospital, and held people hostage.  No trial as yet, but I am hoping he gets the death penalty for murdereing the Officer.
There has to be a line where if it is crossed, your life is foreit.

Mexico does not have such a line.  No wonder the narcotrafficers have nothing to fear.

Thank you. My point exactly.

[Maiken]

I just want one answer.


If a person is in prison for life and there is no death penalty then what's stopping him from killing again inside the prison?

Good security measures.

Just think, what has someone already sentenced to death to loose? Whats stopping him from killing? They cannot kill him twice.

DP might even be an option for some prisoners, who must spend LWOP to escape the system. But most choose suiced instead of killing someone else. Also murders.

Asking for DP is rather a sign of helplessness against the fact of crime in this world and how to deal with. It is extreme and it wrong.
Same helplessnes which has everyone and which some romantic Antis try to solve also in a way butbelieving EVERYTHING an inmate says or even romatizising them. Thats wrong either. But those are only very few people.

But most Antigroups are straight down, try to help offenders and victims of crime.

[Maiken]

Quote from Maiken

"Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten"

We here in the United States also say "Innocent until proven Guilty"  Which basically says the same thing you said in German.

What's your point?  Why are you saying that they are all innocent AFTER being proven guilty?

"Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten" does mean:

"In dubio pro reo." Which means, when there is doubt, it should be taken in advantzage of the accused.

"innocence until proven guilty" often turns out to be "innocent until convicted"

And that is a problem, which not only the USA has but which exist all over the world.
The USA is one coutry the world looks upon, also the activist groups there are the very most active. But is a world wide problem.
Abolish groups fight DP worldwide not only in USA.
USA has specific problems which aplly to the whole nation.
But DP is only adminstered in nearly half of US states.
What about the other ones, who do not have DP?

[JTiscool]

I just want one answer.


If a person is in prison for life and there is no death penalty then what's stopping him from killing again inside the prison?

Good security measures.

Just think, what has someone already sentenced to death to loose? Whats stopping him from killing? They cannot kill him twice.

DP might even be an option for some prisoners, who must spend LWOP to escape the system. But most choose suiced instead of killing someone else. Also murders.

Asking for DP is rather a sign of helplessness against the fact of crime in this world and how to deal with. It is extreme and it wrong.
Same helplessnes which has everyone and which some romantic Antis try to solve also in a way butbelieving EVERYTHING an inmate says or even romatizising them. Thats wrong either. But those are only very few people.

But most Antigroups are straight down, try to help offenders and victims of crime.

Except that when on death row you are essentially on lock down. The problem with your theory is there are no guaranteed security measures to prevent someone from murdering.

Just think, what has someone already sentenced to death to loose? Whats stopping him from killing? They cannot kill him twice.

Slippery slope fallacy. What stops a death row inmate from killing again is the fact that he'd face another death sentence even if he wins the appeal for his original death sentence. Therefore making his appeals moot.

[Maiken]

I just want one answer.


If a person is in prison for life and there is no death penalty then what's stopping him from killing again inside the prison?

Good security measures.

Just think, what has someone already sentenced to death to loose? Whats stopping him from killing? They cannot kill him twice.

DP might even be an option for some prisoners, who must spend LWOP to escape the system. But most choose suiced instead of killing someone else. Also murders.

Asking for DP is rather a sign of helplessness against the fact of crime in this world and how to deal with. It is extreme and it wrong.
Same helplessnes which has everyone and which some romantic Antis try to solve also in a way butbelieving EVERYTHING an inmate says or even romatizising them. Thats wrong either. But those are only very few people.

But most Antigroups are straight down, try to help offenders and victims of crime.

Except that when on death row you are essentially on lock down. The problem with your theory is there are no guaranteed security measures to prevent someone from murdering.

Just think, what has someone already sentenced to death to loose? Whats stopping him from killing? They cannot kill him twice.

Slippery slope fallacy. What stops a death row inmate from killing again is the fact that he'd face another death sentence even if he wins the appeal for his original death sentence. Therefore making his appeals moot.

first, I would lik to ask to avoid such phrases as: Slippery slope fallacy and others. This is no argument.

Then I want to point out, that a someone who has become guilty of a real heinous murder and is convicted and on death row, simply knows that his appeals will be futile.
One of your arguments is that appeals are only for the purpose of lenghtening the time til execution.
What would change for the murderer, committing another murder? Nothing really I suppose.

Dangerous people are on lock down too without being on death row. To prevent them from murdering others.

What goes down to those who murdered while already in prison are two facts. One ist that they where known as dangerous, yet being in one cell with more harmless inmates, which becane than victim. And that those are rare cases.
Those Inmates  said themselves, that they where dangerous and most times even asked for DP.

What you really say is, with some murderers, only death will keep them from murdering again.
But why revive such a person when is committing suicide only to execute him later?

If what you say, is true, why risking that he would be able to kill someone in the meantime til execution?

And what I had said at the beginning of our discussion: 95 % of brutal crimes are done by men. Would it be not better, to imprison you all and only let you out for a walk by VERY good behaviour? Just a suggestion.

[donvito111]

Sorry Maiken you are faking that you are "naiv". What games do you wanna play here.

 Frenchy, Gregg is right, This woman plays games. I discussed Hank Skinner with her a year ago and now she comes here and poionting out the same things that she did a year ago. Also on other cases and opinions. She is indeed a scumpal and her only mention is to provocate and to play the poor woman. I do not buy that. Sorry

Donvito, I do NOT play the poor woman. I know that we discussed Hank Skinner a year ago and at that time I alredy disliked your way of argumenting.

Remember, that you stopped answering, when you ran out of arguments?

No, with you, I just got the feeling of being one-sided, never even letting anything like doubt spoil your opinion.

I did read both sides at that time, trying to read it with an open mind, you did not.

No, I do not play.

If someone is convicted, there should be always the implication: innocent until proven guilty.

And what we say in Germany: "Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten."

You should know and thats all I have to say.

you play your role and you are lying. i did not stop writing to you on facebook because i had no more arguments. i stopped because you did not accept just one argument. skinner was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. there was indeed strong evidence including dna that linked him to the murder. also there was other evidence. i told you to read the trial transcripts and the transcript of the hearing. this is posted on Skinners website. now, nearly one year later you step in here and you tell us that you have better things to do as to read the transcripts. you have the same arguments that you had a year ago. you have no time to read the transcripts but enough time to communicate with skinners wife and daughter and you believe what they say without to inform you about the facts. you have more then a dozen friends of death row offenders and you are indeed a scumpal. this is also beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for the " in dubio pro reo" . There is no dubio in Skinner´s case.

[Maiken]

Sorry Maiken you are faking that you are "naiv". What games do you wanna play here.

 Frenchy, Gregg is right, This woman plays games. I discussed Hank Skinner with her a year ago and now she comes here and poionting out the same things that she did a year ago. Also on other cases and opinions. She is indeed a scumpal and her only mention is to provocate and to play the poor woman. I do not buy that. Sorry

Donvito, I do NOT play the poor woman. I know that we discussed Hank Skinner a year ago and at that time I alredy disliked your way of argumenting.

Remember, that you stopped answering, when you ran out of arguments?

No, with you, I just got the feeling of being one-sided, never even letting anything like doubt spoil your opinion.

I did read both sides at that time, trying to read it with an open mind, you did not.

No, I do not play.

If someone is convicted, there should be always the implication: innocent until proven guilty.

And what we say in Germany: "Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten."

You should know and thats all I have to say.

you play your role and you are lying. i did not stop writing to you on facebook because i had no more arguments. i stopped because you did not accept just one argument. skinner was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. there was indeed strong evidence including dna that linked him to the murder. also there was other evidence. i told you to read the trial transcripts and the transcript of the hearing. this is posted on Skinners website. now, nearly one year later you step in here and you tell us that you have better things to do as to read the transcripts. you have the same arguments that you had a year ago. you have no time to read the transcripts but enough time to communicate with skinners wife and daughter and you believe what they say without to inform you about the facts. you have more then a dozen friends of death row offenders and you are indeed a scumpal. this is also beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for the " in dubio pro reo" . There is no dubio in Skinner´s case.

Yes we had contact a year ago. I also read official transricpits, which did not change my mind.

Yes, I stopped arguing with you, cause you did not do either, but on top of it, you started insulting me, what made it pointless for me to talk to you anymore.

Same as now.

You are one which does not read or listen just try to collect "facts" about another person, which then you repeat over and over to make them look true.

If that was done with people convicted,  on  statements like yours "this is also beyond a reasonable doubt." then I think that 80 % in prison are indeed innocent not only 10 -15 %.

You are biased, do not read what others tell you or listen. Only what counts is your own made-up thinking.

Oh yes, I did not stop arguing a year ago, but with better people then you, Donvito, some of them very much much Pro DP, which put me onto theit friends site too, after writing each other.

What you do is really a very false despiteful spying in internet after another person.
Shall i give you my adress? You could try to crouch under my bed. Perhaps there might an intercourse with a criminal from Tes death Row?

What you say, makes me sick , Donvito.

[Maiken]

The point with Skinner is only one that he was drugged out and whoever experienced such a thing, knows what  I mean.

I had it two times in my life on red vine only. Last time on a holiday with therapeuts. They invited me for a glass of vine.
I had enough then and said good night, while they drank on.

I can only remember, that I left. Thats all.

Now that house we resided in was very dangerous in itself, with small, narrow stairs, where you had to find your bedroom...ver dangerous.

I walked around everywhere upstairs until I found my bed, never even realising where I was.

Now thats why I think that all the blood on Skinner, his prints everywhere might arose from.

Only thing which I said, that someone in such a state is bodily unable to kill three people, even beating one to death.

Even if he had attacked Twila she must have screamed and were where the two young men?

Thats all I said.

Searching for an intruder, was very difficult at that times, the more, when he hardly had left any trace.

For there are very severe doubts that skinner did it. Thats all.

[Maiken]

The postings of Donvito make me so angry.

Only his opinion matters, insulting or degrading people which think otherwise.

You have not changed Donvito. You are that unpleasant  and "unangenehm" as you were a year before.

[Gregg Fisher]

"The day after her son was reported missing, [Milke] was asleep at her father’s house
in Florence, Arizona, when sheriff’s deputies arrived.  (RT 1/11/10 at 132-33.)  Upon being
awakened by her stepsister and informed of the deputies’ presence, she replied, “What the
fuck do they want?”  (RT 1/12/10 at 25.) "

Her concern for her "missing" son was underwhelming.

Well thats not what one would a worrying mother would say. But who can judge why she said it?

Who can judge? The 12 people who were sworn as jurors can and did judge why she said it and so did numerous appellate courts.

[donvito111]

Sorry Maiken you are faking that you are "naiv". What games do you wanna play here.

 Frenchy, Gregg is right, This woman plays games. I discussed Hank Skinner with her a year ago and now she comes here and poionting out the same things that she did a year ago. Also on other cases and opinions. She is indeed a scumpal and her only mention is to provocate and to play the poor woman. I do not buy that. Sorry

Donvito, I do NOT play the poor woman. I know that we discussed Hank Skinner a year ago and at that time I alredy disliked your way of argumenting.

Remember, that you stopped answering, when you ran out of arguments?

No, with you, I just got the feeling of being one-sided, never even letting anything like doubt spoil your opinion.

I did read both sides at that time, trying to read it with an open mind, you did not.

No, I do not play.

If someone is convicted, there should be always the implication: innocent until proven guilty.

And what we say in Germany: "Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten."

You should know and thats all I have to say.

you play your role and you are lying. i did not stop writing to you on facebook because i had no more arguments. i stopped because you did not accept just one argument. skinner was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. there was indeed strong evidence including dna that linked him to the murder. also there was other evidence. i told you to read the trial transcripts and the transcript of the hearing. this is posted on Skinners website. now, nearly one year later you step in here and you tell us that you have better things to do as to read the transcripts. you have the same arguments that you had a year ago. you have no time to read the transcripts but enough time to communicate with skinners wife and daughter and you believe what they say without to inform you about the facts. you have more then a dozen friends of death row offenders and you are indeed a scumpal. this is also beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for the " in dubio pro reo" . There is no dubio in Skinner´s case.

Yes we had contact a year ago. I also read official transricpits, which did not change my mind.

Yes, I stopped arguing with you, cause you did not do either, but on top of it, you started insulting me, what made it pointless for me to talk to you anymore.

Same as now.

You are one which does not read or listen just try to collect "facts" about another person, which then you repeat over and over to make them look true.

If that was done with people convicted,  on  statements like yours "this is also beyond a reasonable doubt." then I think that 80 % in prison are indeed innocent not only 10 -15 %.

You are biased, do not read what others tell you or listen. Only what counts is your own made-up thinking.

Oh yes, I did not stop arguing a year ago, but with better people then you, Donvito, some of them very much much Pro DP, which put me onto theit friends site too, after writing each other.

What you do is really a very false despiteful spying in internet after another person.
Shall i give you my adress? You could try to crouch under my bed. Perhaps there might an intercourse with a criminal from Tes death Row?

What you say, makes me sick , Donvito.

This posting speaks for itself. I only will remeber you that YOU wrote to me on facebook not I.  And be sure. i am not spying. Facebook is an open website. If you dont want that just dont join. And be sure that I have no and I mean absolut no interest to rest under your bed. This is certain as the Amen in church. You can interact with as many inmates you want but stop posting crap and lies here.

[Elric of Melnibone]

Dude, this is a PRO death penalty site.  We are hard-core bad ass people who have seen anti's come and go with their asses on fire.  You have been given many places to read the TRUTH about every single one of your scumpals and you DO NOT GET IT.  Here is a free tidbit:  The State will not go for a death penalty unless there is OVERWHELMING evidence that the POS is guilty. 

You need to re-evaluate your presence here and remember that there are people here that have lost family members to the slime you advocate for.

[Gregg Fisher]

Even if he had attacked Twila she must have screamed and were where the two young men?

He choked her into unconsciousness before beating her brains in with the ax handle.  One son was asleep in his bed.  The other son was in his underwear and had gotten out of his bed and was fatally stabbed by Skinner. If you had actually read the court documents, you would know that.   

Searching for an intruder, was very difficult at that times, the more, when he hardly had left any trace.

For there are very severe doubts that skinner did it. Thats all.

There was no intruder and there are no doubts that Skinner murdered the three people.