Reasons why the Death Penalty does work!

[JTiscool]

From Maiken, "You can try to detect a murderer by good police work and a stable society and bringing those to justice which did commit a crime."

So what you are saying is through good police work and a stable society we can predict who is going to commit murder and stop them before they commit the crime? 

You must be a Tom Cruise fan because this sounds an aweful lot like the premise of the movie, "Minority Report" 

So far I've seen nothing of substance from you, just a bunch of BS about specific individuals on DR with no supporting evidence.

Debra Milke is on DR because she admitted that she conspired to kill her son because, " it would be better for her son to die than grow up like her husband."  Is it fair that the fellows that actually killed her son did not also get the DP, however in my opinion if she had not requested that they kill her son for a share of his insurance policy the men would have never killed him on their own.  If I were the DA on this case I too would have made deals with the other two men to get her because in my opinion she is the most culpable. 

The murderers of Chester Poage all had a chance to  make a deal, one did and two did not.  They rolled the dice and craped out.  That is their fault and noboody elses.

Juan Melendez was a poorly handled case and he eventually won out.  It is sad that it took 17 years, but in the end the system of appeals and reviews served its purpose and he was released.

Debra Milke is on death row for a socalled confession to one police officer, which was never recorded.
stupid to argue that she did command this for insurance money. Her boy was insured for 5.000 Dollar.
Imagine she orderd it, how much money she would had to pay the killers?
Both of those thugs hated her. Why paying attention to what a murder says. they did it, not her and there was was no reason for her to order such a gruesome thing.


Chester Poage: killed by 3 young men in horrendous way, no one would like to die. Only the one, who was the smartest, Briley Piper got life, the others died. Now you say it was their fault not to have made a plea bargain?

Juan Melendez. got framed. The tape with the confession of the true murderer was lying at the office of the district attorney for 17 years. Only when the office did change, all came out and what did he get for that? 100 Dollars and a pair of trousers and be told, that now he is a free man.

Grand!

Spoken like a true anti. Everyone on death row is innocent and those guilty are on the street. Give me a f*cking break. Yes it was their fault they didn't make the plea deal. They were guilty and didn't have to die for it but fortunately they were stupid enough not to and died for their sins.

[Hutchsmash]

Your problem Maiken is you read and believe only the information put out by the convited and his/her supporters.  If you took the time to read the court manuscripts as well as the appeal briefs you would learn the TRUTH about the crimes, not the fiction presented by the manipulators. 

Yes it is their fault that Briley Piper and his cohort recieved their sentences.  They were each offered the same deal as the other, but chose to let a judge decide their fate.  So they got what they desereved.  And yes there is no doubt that they are GUILTY.

Where is the proof that Juan Melendez was framed?  From what I read the DA at time did not believe the mans confession.  That does not mean Juan was framed.  Show me some proof.

Get out there and find some actual documentation instead of the BS you have been reading and maybe you will get some people to see your point of view.

[Maiken]

Your problem Maiken is you read and believe only the information put out by the convited and his/her supporters.  If you took the time to read the court manuscripts as well as the appeal briefs you would learn the TRUTH about the crimes, not the fiction presented by the manipulators. 

Yes it is their fault that Briley Piper and his cohort recieved their sentences.  They were each offered the same deal as the other, but chose to let a judge decide their fate.  So they got what they desereved.  And yes there is no doubt that they are GUILTY.

Where is the proof that Juan Melendez was framed?  From what I read the DA at time did not believe the mans confession.  That does not mean Juan was framed.  Show me some proof.

Get out there and find some actual documentation instead of the BS you have been reading and maybe you will get some people to see your point of view.

With the young men, which killed Chester Poage, all three were guilty. Briley Piper accepted a deal, the others made a worse choice, but was he better or they worse?
I still feel sad for Elijah Page, who REALLY had an abhorrent childhood and had never gotten help beforehand himself.
The last months a couple visited him regularly and gave him consolation. But for him I feel sorry as a young life wasted.

With Juan Melendez he got framed, proofs are there, that the one, who turned out to be the true murderer, got money from the attorney to speak up against him (about 4000 Dollar, as far as I can remember).
When Juan left prison after 17 years, all they gave him was a pair of jeans and 100 Dollar.

He is a good man and I am glad to have met him in person, as afterwards he started as a campaigner against DP and still is on it.

[Gregg Fisher]

"The day after her son was reported missing, [Milke] was asleep at her father’s house
in Florence, Arizona, when sheriff’s deputies arrived.  (RT 1/11/10 at 132-33.)  Upon being
awakened by her stepsister and informed of the deputies’ presence, she replied, “What the
fuck do they want?”  (RT 1/12/10 at 25.) "

Her concern for her "missing" son was underwhelming.

[Maiken]

"The day after her son was reported missing, [Milke] was asleep at her father’s house
in Florence, Arizona, when sheriff’s deputies arrived.  (RT 1/11/10 at 132-33.)  Upon being
awakened by her stepsister and informed of the deputies’ presence, she replied, “What the
fuck do they want?”  (RT 1/12/10 at 25.) "

Her concern for her "missing" son was underwhelming.

Well thats not what one would a worrying mother would say. But who can judge why she said it?

[Russki]

Maiken, why are you conducting the same arguement on two threads at the same time?
Frenchy

[Maiken]

I opened up that new thread, as you know, but was afraid, that it would be deleted.

So I also wrote on that other thread.

[donvito111]

Sorry Maiken you are faking that you are "naiv". What games do you wanna play here.

 Frenchy, Gregg is right, This woman plays games. I discussed Hank Skinner with her a year ago and now she comes here and poionting out the same things that she did a year ago. Also on other cases and opinions. She is indeed a scumpal and her only mention is to provocate and to play the poor woman. I do not buy that. Sorry

[Maiken]

Sorry Maiken you are faking that you are "naiv". What games do you wanna play here.

 Frenchy, Gregg is right, This woman plays games. I discussed Hank Skinner with her a year ago and now she comes here and poionting out the same things that she did a year ago. Also on other cases and opinions. She is indeed a scumpal and her only mention is to provocate and to play the poor woman. I do not buy that. Sorry

Donvito, I do NOT play the poor woman. I know that we discussed Hank Skinner a year ago and at that time I alredy disliked your way of argumenting.

Remember, that you stopped answering, when you ran out of arguments?

No, with you, I just got the feeling of being one-sided, never even letting anything like doubt spoil your opinion.

I did read both sides at that time, trying to read it with an open mind, you did not.

No, I do not play.

If someone is convicted, there should be always the implication: innocent until proven guilty.

And what we say in Germany: "Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten."

You should know and thats all I have to say.

[Russki]

Oh in that case, as we say in France, this is a woman that "Péter plus haut que son cul"
Frenchy

[Maiken]

Which means, I am taking my mouth too full? Is it that, what you want to say, Frenchy?

[Russki]

Not exactly

'farting higher than your backside'

I was not aware that you have been all over this ground a year ago. I think you must be a troll. For once, Greg Fisher may be right!
Frenchy

[Maiken]

Not exactly

'farting higher than your backside'

I was not aware that you have been all over this ground a year ago. I think you must be a troll. For once, Greg Fisher may be right!
Frenchy

Do not understand, what you mean with 'farting higher than your backside' and simply I do not want to understand it either.

Yes I had an argument with donvito on facebook a year ago. I did not like  him. Does that make me a troll?

[Kitten Resq]

Quote from Maiken

"Im Zweifel für den Angeklagten"

We here in the United States also say "Innocent until proven Guilty"  Which basically says the same thing you said in German.

What's your point?  Why are you saying that they are all innocent AFTER being proven guilty?

[JTiscool]

I just want one answer.


If a person is in prison for life and there is no death penalty then what's stopping him from killing again inside the prison?