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Joseph Lave - TX - 9/13/07
« on: June 28, 2007, 09:50:44 PM »
Convicted in the killing of 2 sporting goods store employees during a robbery. A third employee survived to identify a 4th employee, James Langston as an accomplice in the robbery and murders. The 3 victims were beaten with a hammer and had their throats cut. Langston was shot to death by police after attempting to run down an officer with his vehicle. A third suspect confessed compelling Lave to surrender. Taken in the robbery was over $2950 in cash, 21 rifles and shotguns, tennis shoes, and various articles of clothing.

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2007, 07:19:03 PM »
TEXAS----impending execution

Top Vatican official appeals for life of Texas death-row inmate


A top Vatican official appealed for the life of a death-row inmate whose execution was scheduled for Sept. 13 in Texas.

Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, urged Texas government authorities Sept. 7 to commute the death sentence of Joseph Lave.

Lave, 42, has been on death row for 13 years. He was convicted of the brutal murders in 1992 of two 18-year-old store clerks, Frederick Banzhaf and Justin Marquart.

During a Sept. 5-12 international meeting in Rome on the pastoral care of prisoners, Cardinal Martino asked for Lave's life "to be saved or at least for a stay of execution," said a release from the justice and peace council.

The cardinal called the death penalty an inhumane and ineffective form of punishment that also "impoverishes the society that legitimizes and practices it," the release said.

It said Cardinal Martino had been following Lave's situation through a campaign by the Rome-based Sant'Egidio Community, which is lobbying for a worldwide moratorium on the use of the death penalty.

(source: Catholic News)

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2007, 09:48:37 AM »
I always get angry if I read for what these innocent people had to die. About 3.000$ and some clothes.....  >:(

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2007, 01:09:03 PM »
I always get angry if I read for what these innocent people had to die. About 3.000$ and some clothes.....  >:(

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Michael


So do we!  That's why we believe in the death penalty.  It saves the lives of their future victims if they ever went free!
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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2007, 04:36:37 PM »
On death row for 13 years???

Ye, I would probably be repentant and truly sorry after that length of time no matter what I done.

Probably WOULD be a different person. 13 years is a long time.

Leads nicely into my favorite argument of TIME... The only true deterrent that the dp offers is if sentence is carried out swiftly. If you kill you will be killed. Not next decade or later but within a month of the verdict being reached. We did it here (sorry to go on about 'here' all you lot but it is true) and it worked.

May I offer a somewhat ridiculous example? Thanks... If any of you were planning to murder someone in any Country in the world that still retained the dp which Country would you choose?

Hmm....

Me? Easy - THE USA! Yep rather there than China or The Ukraine. I may even live long enough after conviction to die of old age  ;D

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2007, 03:07:53 AM »
On death row for 13 years???

Ye, I would probably be repentant and truly sorry after that length of time no matter what I done.

Probably WOULD be a different person. 13 years is a long time.

Leads nicely into my favorite argument of TIME... The only true deterrent that the dp offers is if sentence is carried out swiftly. If you kill you will be killed. Not next decade or later but within a month of the verdict being reached. We did it here (sorry to go on about 'here' all you lot but it is true) and it worked.



Peter i am interested to know how you feel about drink driving. If you or your wife or someone you know and care about killed a child through reckless or drink driving do you think they should recieve the DP?
Just curious as you said you used to do it yourself in your younger days before it was against the law here.



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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2007, 07:53:25 AM »
I always get angry if I read for what these innocent people had to die. About 3.000$ and some clothes.....  >:(

Regards

Michael

Well Michael you neglected to mention the 21 guns that were taken. I'm sure those were not going to be used for recreational hunting. Also it should be noted that one of the scumbags that Lave robbed the store with was shot and killed by police as he tried to run over them.

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2007, 08:53:00 AM »
Peter i am interested to know how you feel about drink driving. If you or your wife or someone you know and care about killed a child through reckless or drink driving do you think they should recieve the DP?
Just curious as you said you used to do it yourself in your younger days before it was against the law here.


So she says, with a supercilious holier than thou attitude. 

I would guess with age comes wisdom.  And with wisdom and a family comes responsibility.  And with responsibility comes the knowledge that drinking and driving do not mix.  And with the fact that he is a professional driver comes....

So what's your point?  Trying to humiliate him with your statement?  Or just feel superior to him to make yourself feel better, because you don't believe in the death penalty and he does?

Just curious!

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2007, 09:01:10 AM »
Jeff, thatīs right.

Thatīs an important fact. I had just  small question - is there a registration department for weapons in the US or is it impossible to find out whih weapons are owned by a person legaly?

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2007, 09:23:04 AM »
Jeff, thatīs right.

Thatīs an important fact. I had just  small question - is there a registration department for weapons in the US or is it impossible to find out whih weapons are owned by a person legaly?

Regards

Michael


I'm not Jeff, but I will answer that question.  I have friends who own and carry guns legally.

Each gun that purchased in the US has a registration number.  At the time of sale, the gun purchaser is supposed to go through a background check to see if they have a criminal history or if there is an Ex Parte Order of Protection against them. 

Ex Parte Order of Protection is filed against someone who has been in a domestic violence incident by their spouse or partner who fears them or they may have threatened to kill the person.  Or if the person is a stalker of someone a spouse partner, or say they become fixated on someone romantically but never dated them, the person stalked will get an Ex Parte Order of Protection to prevent that person from being near them.

When the background check comes back, it has to be clean of criminal complaints.  Or it is supposed to be.  No felon can own or purchase a gun once they have been convicted.

The person buying they gun can have the gun in their home.  They can carry the gun in the trunk of their vehicle, but it must be unloaded to be legal. 

If the person has a permit to carry a concealed gun, he must go through a weapons course, have a background check, and be fingerprinted.  They have to carry the permit on their person at all times, when they have the concealed gun on their person.

There are certain establishments where it is unlawful to carry a concealed into, even with a permit.  If an establishment does not want to have concealed weapons on the premises, they put a notice on the door to the establishment.  Then if they are caught carrying a legal concealed weapon into the place, they can be fined, jailed and the weapon and license removed from them.

As to criminals.  It makes no difference to them.  They just ignore the laws and do as they please.  If they steal a weapon or buy one from someone else, they carry it wherever they want, and use it at will.

That is the difference between legal weapons and illegal weapons.  All of them are registered at time of sale.  All have numbers on them.  If a person's gun is stolen, they are supposed to notify the police of this fact, so if the gun is later found to be used in a homicide or robbery it cannot be charged to the gun's owner.

And there is a national registry of the guns, so the police can check on the gun's number and see who originally owned it or if they sold it and whom it was sold to, or again if it was stolen and from whom.

Hope that answers your questions.

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2007, 09:23:39 AM »
On death row for 13 years???

Ye, I would probably be repentant and truly sorry after that length of time no matter what I done.

Probably WOULD be a different person. 13 years is a long time.

Leads nicely into my favorite argument of TIME... The only true deterrent that the dp offers is if sentence is carried out swiftly. If you kill you will be killed. Not next decade or later but within a month of the verdict being reached. We did it here (sorry to go on about 'here' all you lot but it is true) and it worked.



Peter i am interested to know how you feel about drink driving. If you or your wife or someone you know and care about killed a child through reckless or drink driving do you think they should recieve the DP?
Just curious as you said you used to do it yourself in your younger days before it was against the law here.






I agree that an inmate should not spend 13 yrs on death row before being executed, but that doesnt say that because inamtes do that the Dp is not a detterent.

As for the drunk driving question, my opinion is that it is manslaughter. I think the penalty for this act should be much stiffer but death for this offense is way too stiff.
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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2007, 09:56:32 AM »
Peter i am interested to know how you feel about drink driving. If you or your wife or someone you know and care about killed a child through reckless or drink driving do you think they should recieve the DP?
Just curious as you said you used to do it yourself in your younger days before it was against the law here.


So she says, with a supercilious holier than thou attitude. 





I am not going to argue with you on this or anything else GOB but i will answer your question even though you were very rude! Peter openly said on here he had done that and i am sure most people have me included so i would not be trying to do anything of the sort!
i was interested in what HIS feelings on it were not yours

I would guess with age comes wisdom.  And with wisdom and a family comes responsibility.  And with responsibility comes the knowledge that drinking and driving do not mix.  And with the fact that he is a professional driver comes....

So what's your point?  Trying to humiliate him with your statement?  Or just feel superior to him to make yourself feel better, because you don't believe in the death penalty and he does?

Just curious!

Grandmother of Brandon



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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2007, 10:05:36 AM »
Well, nats, that is not the way you phrased the question.

It WAS phrased in a rude supercilious manner towards Peter.  It was another smarmy statement from you.  And I will make a comment to you when I believe you are deliberately being rude and condescending to someone I happen to like.
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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2007, 11:42:53 AM »
Many thanks for this great explanation of the weapon laws Grandmother of Brandon.  :-*

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Re: Joseph Lave - Tx - 9/13/07
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2007, 12:21:49 PM »
Many thanks for this great explanation of the weapon laws Grandmother of Brandon.  :-*

Regards

Michael


You are very welcome, Michael. :-*
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