EXECUTIONS NEED TO BE DONE IN PUBLIC

[Russki]

"I grew up in a house with a loaded .45 automatic handgun which was my dad's military service weapon. Never a problem. I'm not going to make fun or belittle Europe for having restrictive gun control laws. I would like your respect of US point of view on private citizens having guns even if you disagree with us. "

Dee, while I respect you immensely, I cannot respect some US issues. Firstly, I only respect things that work. The US gun issue does not, as is being demonstrated almost daily. The US also is the first to interfere with the policies of sovereign states world wide and indeed bullies other countries to 'tow the line' (Syria being the latest in a long line). What the US does with its poor and tax issues is agreed the affair of the US but the greed of the ultra rich in the US is also the prime causation of the World economic breakdown so that system does not work either. The US dollar is fast approaching junk status.

I did not want to include US taxation in this discussion but you brought this up. I am stating a simple fact concerning children using firearms and children being involved in any way with executions.

[ggbop]

In my opinion the right amount of people see an execution.  Family of the victims should be given first 'dibs' on the right to see the killer of their loved ones die. 

Public executions belittle the object of justice.  They are not there to entertain the masses, they are in place as a just and correct method of punishment.

Public hangings in the 1800's in London were the subject of many pamphlets by Charles Dickens.  Because the man was famous, he was listened to and the start of the rot of British Justice began.  We already have too many Hollywood 'actors' against CP and public executions would have them out in droves spouting their drivel, and we all know that there are folks who listen to them.

Let them stay behind closed doors.  Let them be used as punishment and not entertainment.  Let them bring peace to MVS and justice for the victims

[Rick4404]

In my opinion the right amount of people see an execution.  Family of the victims should be given first 'dibs' on the right to see the killer of their loved ones die. 

Public executions belittle the object of justice.  They are not there to entertain the masses, they are in place as a just and correct method of punishment.

Public hangings in the 1800's in London were the subject of many pamphlets by Charles Dickens.  Because the man was famous, he was listened to and the start of the rot of British Justice began.  We already have too many Hollywood 'actors' against CP and public executions would have them out in droves spouting their drivel, and we all know that there are folks who listen to them.

Let them stay behind closed doors.  Let them be used as punishment and not entertainment.  Let them bring peace to MVS and justice for the victims

While I certainly appreciate the notion that executions should be performed in public, however, it would be a logistical as well as a security nightmare to conduct an execution for public viewing.

Executions are customarily carried out in the United States in a room well inside of a prison, with only a handful to a dozen or so (depending upon the state) of legally-required witnesses present to watch the event, as well as the executee, the warden and the members of the execution team being present.  All states allow members of the victim's family to witness the process.  A few states (but not all) also allow members of the executee's family to witness the event.  Out of security issues, the two families are generally kept separate throughout the whole process, including being escorted to the place of execution to being escorted from the facility at the conclusion of the event. 

The reason why executions are conducted privately like this is out of an overabundance of caution as well as for the need that the process be carried out in as dignified, humane and professional a manner as possible; and also out of deference to the security needs of the institution in which the execution is being conducted. 

For example, it would be next to impossible to conduct a public execution on the front steps of a state capitol building, or some other public venue.  The security issues would be enormous. 

This is why executions are always carried out in such a secluded manner.

[Naviator]

In my opinion the right amount of people see an execution.  Family of the victims should be given first 'dibs' on the right to see the killer of their loved ones die. 

Public executions belittle the object of justice.  They are not there to entertain the masses, they are in place as a just and correct method of punishment.

Public hangings in the 1800's in London were the subject of many pamphlets by Charles Dickens.  Because the man was famous, he was listened to and the start of the rot of British Justice began.  We already have too many Hollywood 'actors' against CP and public executions would have them out in droves spouting their drivel, and we all know that there are folks who listen to them.

Let them stay behind closed doors.  Let them be used as punishment and not entertainment.  Let them bring peace to MVS and justice for the victims

Well said, and sums up many member's position accurately.


Referring to the guns issue, it is futile to attempt to educate a gun nut on the perils of allowing children to handle guns.  They don't process their thoughts the same as the rest of us.  They are so paranoid of being a victim of violence that they have lost their sense and sensibility.  If the US wants it's citizens, no matter how sane/insane the gun holder, to be able to possess a gun, then that is the right of their country.  Let them ignore the plethora of studies that state you are more likely to shoot a loved one with a gun than a perp.  The following article is disturbing to me, because it not only shows gun-toting paranoia, but the fact that this nut is trying to inflict his views on my peaceful country.

http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/tourist+paranoia+sets+stampede+criticism/7063438/story.html

[Mirrrr]

I read an article of an US cop who was in a motel. He heard someone come in to the room. Thought someone was breaking in. Took his gun and shot deadly.

It was his son. Happened not long ago. Sons dead. The rest of their family is destroyed.

[Russki]

"it is futile to attempt to educate a gun nut on the perils of allowing children to handle guns.  They don't process their thoughts the same as the rest of us."

I have more chance to teach one of my cats to do ballet dancing and they are a whole lot smarter than these gun nuts! They are just like the mad Arabs toting guns.

[Russki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSnOKKOu7rA&feature=related

[k"KKK"hirschkorn]

Now,  that is funny as hell....    I would have had a beer in my hand..

[faithamor7]

I agree children shouldn't be taught to use a gun. My opionin. It happens all the time where children are no turning and killing their own parents. It's scarey either way. Teach them or not teach them. 

[Russki]

The USA, besides being in debt for almost $16 trillion, spends more on military hardware than the next ten nations COMBINED!

Why? It still thinks it is in a cold war arms race. All this hardware cannot combat one IED costing less than a pizza and that is what modern wars are about. Not surprising therefore that all recent wars are already lost; a lesson that should have been learnt in Vietnam. The USA still interferes with other sovereign states at its pleasure and leisure, Syria being the latest unfortunate recipient of its attention. The USA still bombs (including drones) other sovereign states killing thousands of innocent people who are just written off as collateral damage. The USA has more people incarcerated per capita than any other country on the planet but still preaches to other nations.

Like other lawless failed states, it is also awash with guns. One day, this salient fact will backfire as those guns will be turned against other Americans in bloody civil war between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. The USA is only a couple of laps behind Mexico and the US is no stranger to a civil war.

[k"KKK"hirschkorn]

Yea ok.. This had turned in to a Monkey F-ing a football thread.. Country's  that live in a glass house  should not throw rocks in the house.. 

[Russki]

"a Monkey F-ing a football thread"

I shall leave that comment to my imagination which so far has not risen to the occasion.

I knock all countries that play these stupid games and France under Nicolas Sarkozy also began to try to copy the USA presumably to gain favour. Any country, like companies, unable to pay its debt and continue to increase debt is a failed state in my book. Bankrupt countries should not be spending trillions on weapons and abortive military adventures. Neither should they be trying to force other countries to adopt their political systems.

Ignore the poor in a country, (not illegal immigrants BTW) at your peril. Revolution can happen anywhere at the drop of a hat.

[k"KKK"hirschkorn]

Bull shit... To stay on top you spend and stock pile and resupply..  And we stay on top.  Its just like in sports you have to Pay to play. And when you add to That the Fact that O'Bummer has bought his way in to a 2nd term.  You could just Say the World is F-ed.  We  can repay all  that debt at any time the Monkey in the white house say sell the oil we have in the US .. But with all the tree huggers in DC that cant happen any time soon. Now as for NATO bringing county's out of the stone age , I spose we should return to having a King and Queen..

[Russki]

KKK, wonderful news which I hope you will share with the US government. I know for a fact that they have not seen such a lucid solution to the problem. 

With all recent wars lost and a $16 Trillion debt, the USA is not on top. What are you thinking of KKK?

Western 'democracy' is nothing but corrupt feudalism. Huge riches for the few and less and less for the rest. Do you honestly think a population will stand for that indefinitely?

What I find completely inexplicable is how folks on this board who are clearly not in the upper income bracket still rail against higher taxes for the very rich. They have done a wonderful snow job on you all.

In France, we cut the heads off our king and gueen. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

[deeg]

Both parties are responsible for the debt.  When George W. Bush was in office and the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress it was the perfect time to reign in the debt and spending. But no, President Bush never saw a spending bill he didn't sign.   In part, what did the Republicans spend time on?  Considering a consititutional amendment to ban flag burning and defining marriage as between a man and a woman.  On all of the above, I didn't see anything substantial about a SMALLER, less instrusive government.  And I'm saying this as a Republican. 

I haven't weighed in on the topic of this board.  I've read all the disparate points of view as I had not thought much of this issue.  In my humble opinion public executions are too inseemingly to me and reminds me of Bread and Circuses for the masses.  I think our processes generally work, except in CA where it doesn't. 

Dee