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Offline JoeGuru

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Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« on: June 25, 2012, 07:25:13 AM »
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional to sentence juveniles to life in prison without parole for murder.

The high court on Monday threw out Americans' ability to send children to prison for the rest of their lives with no chance of ever getting out. The 5-4 decision is in line with others the court has made, including ruling out the death penalty for juveniles and life without parole for young people whose crimes did not involve killing.

The decision came in the robbery and murder cases of Evan Miller and Kuntrell Jackson, who were 14 when they were convicted.

Miller was convicted of killing a man in Alabama. Jackson was convicted of being an accomplice in an Arkansas robbery that ended in murder.


Life Without Parole will only exist until someone is successful in suing to overturn it.  If it can be done for juveniles, it's only a matter of time before a court rules the 8th amendment prevents keeping adults in prison without the possibility of parole.

The death penalty is not a deterrent; it never will be.  It does, however, absolutely (and irreversibly) protect society against a psychopath murdering an innocent victim again.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 08:21:13 AM »
There you go. That is exactly what will happen
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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 08:45:40 AM »
The Death Penalty DOES deter crime, because scumbags fear death over life. It is common sense. Will it drop the crime rate to zero? No. But the purpose of the death penalty is to wipe out a scumbag, and that is TOTAL deterance.
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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 08:53:35 AM »
There you go. That is exactly what will happen


And it starts. Once a juvenile gets released from prison he will commit another crime. This world will go into total chaos.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 07:42:04 AM »
Misreporting Miller

June 25, 2012 12:24 PM | Posted by Bill Otis

The Federalist Society asked me to write one paragraph for press distribution about today's decision in Miller v. Alabama.  As I explained in that short statement, perhaps the most surprising thing about the opinion is the inability of so much of the press to understand what it holds.  Reports of the demise of juvenile LWOP are incorrect (and, if I don't miss my guess, the result of considerable wishful thinking from the usual suspects, and others, in the liberal media). 

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By a 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court held that states cannot mandate life without parole (LWOP) for juveniles convicted of murder. Although initial press coverage -- for example, from the AP, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS radio -- stated that the Court had ruled out LWOP for juvenile killers, that is incorrect. The Court held no more than that LWOP cannot automatically be imposed, and that sentencing in such cases must henceforth allow introduction of mitigating evidence particular to each defendant. In other words, the Court today did to juvenile LWOP what it did in the Woodson case in 1976 to capital punishment for adults: It held that rules automatically imposing the harshest penalty are inconsistent with the Eighth Amendment. It is thus worth remembering that, in the 36 years since Woodson, and in the era of discretionary death penalty sentencing, there have been 1298 executions in the United States. Thus, reports of the end of juvenile LWOP as a result of today's ruling are at best premature, and almost certainly wrong.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 01:10:56 PM »
There you go. That is exactly what will happen


And it starts. Once a juvenile gets released from prison he will commit another crime. This world will go into total chaos.


But it will be a marginal total chaos :)

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 01:16:06 PM »
The Death Penalty DOES deter crime, because scumbags fear death over life.


I believe the studies have shown that scumbags don't think that far ahead.  However, I've never thought a deterrent effect was as important as the inability of the dead scumbag to commit more crimes.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 05:14:02 PM »
The Death Penalty DOES deter crime, because scumbags fear death over life.


I believe the studies have shown that scumbags don't think that far ahead.  However, I've never thought a deterrent effect was as important as the inability of the dead scumbag to commit more crimes.


Scumbags either don't think that far ahead, or are arrogant/ignorant enough to think they won't get caught. Whether or not it deters crime is a moot point in my book. It still protects society by permanently and irreversibly taking away the offender's ability harm another person in the future. For me, that's already enough. Not to mention that it gives the victims' families some sense of justice.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 09:22:11 PM »
The Death Penalty DOES deter crime, because scumbags fear death over life.


I believe the studies have shown that scumbags don't think that far ahead.  However, I've never thought a deterrent effect was as important as the inability of the dead scumbag to commit more crimes.


The Canadian who stalked and shot his ex-girlfriend in Illinois after Quinn repealed the death penalty did.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 01:26:13 AM »
"Scumbags either don't think that far ahead,"

Ah, true......... attenuated forward projection. A characteristic of ADHD which many scumbags have
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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 01:40:06 AM »
"Scumbags either don't think that far ahead,"

Ah, true......... attenuated forward projection. A characteristic of ADHD which many scumbags have



Might also find the mix of injected / inhaled chemicals they are using for recreational purposes has a detrimental effect on their ability to give a sh*t about the consequences.......
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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 04:40:04 AM »
Fine, get rid of Life Without Parole (frankly, the fact that I think LWOP is unconstitutional is a secondary reason I'm pro-capital punishment)...sentence the guys to 325 years mandatory minimum, and give him the option of walking to Old Sparky at any time! (if you don't think 325 years is a possibility, look up Colin Ferguson in the New York Department of Corrections inmate registry, and note that his earliest possible release date is NOT a misprint)

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 04:46:46 AM »
Might also find the mix of injected / inhaled chemicals they are using for recreational purposes has a detrimental effect on their ability to give a sh*t about the consequences.......

You have a point there!

Some have been sentenced tp 999 years but it makes no difference if the thugloves take over . They will stop that too.
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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 06:59:05 AM »
In how many states does life in prison without the possibility of parole mean just that?  In nearly all states, there is always the possibility of clemency being extended by the governor.  Of course, that is never automatic, and there is a process that must be followed in each state pertaining to an application for executive clemency.  In such a case, it would be for a commutation, reducing the sentence from LWOP to a time certain, which then makes the inmate parole eligible at some point.  In some states, the governor can act unilaterally on any clemency matter.  In other states, the matter has to go before a review board before the governor is allowed to act.

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Re: Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 07:01:13 AM »
Sadly, some governors would pardon Pol Pot if they had arrested him!
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