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Hi,

as i see only a few methods are used.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-scheduled-executions/methods-of-execution

In my opinion the most used method of execution - Lethal Injection - is to human for the killers.

What are your thoughts about this?
What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?

Some info about the methods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismemberment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning


I apologize for my not perfect English. Hopefully you understand what I mean. If not - ask me. I will try to explain.

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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 05:45:48 AM »
Honestly, I'd like to see a reason to not have to use any method, wish the damn killers would just stop killing. However, I'm perfectly content with the methods currently being used. (firing squad, lethal injection and chair)


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My reason for supporting capital punishment: My cousin 16 yr. old Amanda Greenwell was murdered in March of 2004 at the hands of serial killer Jeremy Bryan Jones.

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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2012, 08:58:16 AM »
Honestly, I'd like to see a reason to not have to use any method, wish the damn killers would just stop killing. However, I'm perfectly content with the methods currently being used. (firing squad, lethal injection and chair)


While I agree in principle with Pammee, I have a "Favorite" style I believe should be utilized.......

Again the issue of efficacy raises its ugly friggin' head ...again. I understand that lawyers are merely doing their chosen jobs and keeping their client alive for as long as possible. What I do not understand is when something like L.I.works, it works well. Who gives a tinkers damn if a chemical in the "cocktail" is changed??? I have read the 8th Amendment, and, nowhere does it say an execution must be Painless.    Stipulations of the Eighth Amendment:

The Eighth Amendment forbids forms of punishments entirely, while outlawing other forms of punishments that are excessive when related to the crime in question or compared to the competence of the aggressor.

The Supreme Court outlawed public dissecting, burning a perpetrator alive, drawing and quartering, or disemboweling regardless of crime. The Supreme Court also outlawed the execution of any individual under the age of 18 or any individual who is mentally handicapped.

The Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to fine an individual excessively based on their economic or financial standing. Additionally, the Supreme Court, through previous provisions instituted by the English Bill of Rights stated that excessive bail is not required; however, the Eighth Amendment also states that bail may be denied if the charges are grave and serious enough to terminate the option.


Just a brief "snapshot"of the 8th amendment,however, one of my favorite methods of judicially executing a condemned prisoner is of course Nitrogen Asphyxiation. It is painless(no 8th amendment concerns), it does not destroy the condemned prisoners organs (transplant anyone?),and is 100% effective each and every time it would be used.

Introduction to Nitrogen Asphyxiation
   
   


Nitrogen asphyxiation is an occasional cause of accidental death and a theoretical method of capital punishment advocated in a National Review article, "Killing with kindness – capital punishment by nitrogen asphyxiation." (Creque 1995) The painful experience of suffocation is not caused by lack of oxygen intake but rather because of a buildup of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream which is exhaled under normal circumstances.

When a human breathes in pure nitrogen, they exhale carbon dioxide without resupplying oxygen. Nitrogen is a colorless, odorless and tasteless gas that comprises approximately 78 percent of the Earth's atmosphere. As such, the subject would detect no abnormal sensation. This leads to asphyxiation without the painful and traumatic feeling of suffocation. This effect occurs in humans, but may be very unpleasant for burrowing animals such as rodents or rabbits, which have better function of the carotid body receptors for hypoxia.

For this reason, accidental nitrogen asphyxiation is a possible hazard where large quantities of nitrogen are used. Also, deliberate nitrogen asphyxiation is viewed by some as a more humane way to end a human life in a controlled setting. As the principal component in air, nitrogen poses no significant risk upon discharge.

Other inert asphyxiant gases such as helium or argon produce identical effects, but nitrogen is least expensive.

Overview of capital punishment proposed use

There are substantial moral arguments against and in favor of capital punishment by any means.[1] Although execution by nitrogen asphyxiation was discussed briefly in print more than 10 years ago (Creque 1995) and circulates in various online forums, it is not presently used by any nation. Switching to this procedure would require a change of law. Legislative debate on such a proposal could focus public attention and provide opponents a forum to argue for abolition (Seitz 2001).

In a televised documentary in 2007 [2], the right-wing UK political commentator (and former Member of Parliament United Kingdom), Michael Portillo examined execution techniques in use around the world and found them unsatisfactory ; his conclusion was that nitrogen asphyxiation would be the least-worst method. If reintroduction of the death penalty were ever to return to the political agenda in the UK, this would be a significant contribution to the debate.

As breathing is an absolute requirement for human life, no physical condition of a living subject can prevent the prompt completion of this procedure. Properly condemned individuals could be executed without physical trauma and without the arguably unethical use of medical skill, essentially by withdrawing life support. Some people experience claustrophobia when presented with an anesthetic gas mask before surgery, and some subjects might react similarly. Nitrogen could be introduced into a standard gas chamber, however, without difficulty.

Execution by lethal injection, in contrast, requires medical skill and has occasionally been prolonged when it was difficult to insert the injection needle into an open vein.[3]

Evidence from cases of accidental death from nitrogen asphyxiation

Accidental nitrogen asphyxiation causes about 8 deaths per year in the United States,[4] which is asserted to be more than from any other industrial gas. For example in 1981, shortly before the launch of the first Space Shuttle mission, two technicians lost consciousness and died after they entered the Orbiter aft compartment which was pressurized with pure nitrogen as a precaution against fire.[5]

A laboratory assistant died in Scotland in 1999, apparently from asphyxiation, after liquid nitrogen spilled in a basement storage room.[6]

Awareness of impending death

Every condemned individual is aware of impending death in general, as a result of court proceedings, transport to the execution site, and preparation of the execution equipment. At the shortest time scale, however, nitrogen asphyxiation provides little warning of the moment when final unconsciousness arrives.

Physiology

A typical human breathes between 12 and 20 times per minute at a rate primarily influenced by carbon dioxide concentration, and thus pH, in the blood. With each breath, a volume of about 0.6 liters is exchanged from an active lung volume (tidal volume + functional residual capacity) of about 3 liters. Normal air is about 78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, and 1 percent argon, carbon dioxide, and other gases. After just two or three breaths of nitrogen, the oxygen concentration in the lungs would be low enough for some oxygen already in the bloodstream to exchange back to the lungs and be eliminated by exhalation. Crude simulation of oxygen transport through the lungs and blood stream suggests that the partial pressure of oxygen in arterial blood would be about 50 percent of saturation 1 minute after switching gases and would reach zero within 3 minutes.

Unconsciousness in cases of accidental asphyxia can occur within 1 minute. Loss of consciousness results from critical hypoxia, when arterial oxygen saturation is less than 60% (Fisher n.d.). “At oxygen concentrations [in air] of 4 to 6%, there is loss of consciousness in 40 seconds and death within a few minutes” (DiMaio & DiMaio 2001:231). As this procedure provides an atmosphere completely devoid of oxygen, the sequence of effects should be expected to occur even more quickly. At an altitude greater than 43,000 ft (13,000 m), where the ambient oxygen concentration is equivalent to 3.6% at sea level, an average individual is able to perform flying duties efficiently for only 9 to 12 seconds without oxygen supplementation (Fisher n.d.). The US Air Force trains air crews to recognize their individual subjective signs of approaching hypoxia. Some individuals experience headache, dizziness, fatigue, nausea, or euphoria, but some become unconscious without warning (Fisher n.d.). Equivalent training is unlikely for a condemned individual, making unconsciousness without warning probable, although as much as a 30 second warning is possible.

Loss of consciousness may be accompanied by convulsions (Fisher n.d.) and is followed by cyanosis and cardiac arrest. About 7 minutes of oxygen deprivation causes death of the cerebral cortex and presumably the medulla oblongata, which controls breathing and heart action.

So,rather than chase the elusive "perfect" L.I."cocktail" that every court in the land will accept,perhaps, it is time to look at method  that is 100 % effective and would be under no import restrictions or restricted use clause.

1.A nitrogen concentrator machine.....$500.00 to $10,000.00 one time fee
2.Any medical gas storage container...D, Jumbo D, M  etc....
3.Supply hose and a non-rebreather mask....25.00
4. Being able to utilize existing Lethal Injection guernies ....
5.Having organs available for undamaged transplant(might as well get some good use out of these folks)

Anyway, just my $1.50 opinion(inflation you know)..... 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2012, 09:21:42 AM »
Thanks Pam and phlebbb for your comments and interesting information.

Nitrogen Asphyxiation seems to me as an alternative method to lethal injection.

Therefore its not understandable for me that no nation is using this effective method today.
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2012, 07:44:27 PM »
Nitrogen Asphyxiation could be a reasonable alternative.  I assume there would be an air-tight gas chamber-like device in which the condemned would be strapped down into a chair.  Then what oxygen is in there would be replaced by the nitrogen.  No lethal gasses used, thus no danger to those either witnessing the execution or prison staff who are participating in the process. 

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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2012, 08:35:23 PM »
Nitrogen Asphyxiation could be a reasonable alternative.  I assume there would be an air-tight gas chamber-like device in which the condemned would be strapped down into a chair.  Then what oxygen is in there would be replaced by the nitrogen.  No lethal gasses used, thus no danger to those either witnessing the execution or prison staff who are participating in the process.


Rick, you're on to something. The process of nitrogen asphyxiation is far more effective (and humane) than most of the methods in use today, particularly lethal injections which can easily be botched. Especially since LI's are now routinely administered by prison staff instead of trained health care providers. With nitrogen asphyxiation, the condemned would pass out in a matter of seconds. It's very similar to what happens on an airplane when pressurization is rapidly lost. If you don't put on the oxygen mask right away then black out will occur with complete death following about 5-7 minutes later. I mention that this method is 'humane' not out of concern for the killers, but because it takes away some of the power of the cruel and unusual card. Many agencies use the method to put down sick or unwanted animals humanely. If it's good enough for dogs, then it's certainly good enough (too good?) for murderers. As far as suffering, well I'm sure anyone who knows that he/she will be put to death will suffer plenty in the days and weeks leading up to the execution, regardless of the method. 

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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2012, 09:58:34 PM »
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2012, 11:56:20 PM »
I dont care about the mess or how gross it is... Off with there head... Some folks need there heart, liver and so on.. So in that case off with there head....
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2012, 04:32:25 AM »
Nitrogen Asphyxiation could be a reasonable alternative.  I assume there would be an air-tight gas chamber-like device in which the condemned would be strapped down into a chair.  Then what oxygen is in there would be replaced by the nitrogen.  No lethal gasses used, thus no danger to those either witnessing the execution or prison staff who are participating in the process.


Does not even have to be an airtight chamber.A simple non-rebreather oxygen mask connected to a nitrogen source would do the job ..... 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2012, 05:16:50 AM »
While I agree that nitrogen would work, I feel that something like the chair or guillotine is very scary in concept and I feel that is better for a deterrence.
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2012, 10:01:16 AM »
Nitrogen Asphyxiation could be a reasonable alternative.  I assume there would be an air-tight gas chamber-like device in which the condemned would be strapped down into a chair.  Then what oxygen is in there would be replaced by the nitrogen.  No lethal gasses used, thus no danger to those either witnessing the execution or prison staff who are participating in the process.


I would imagine just a mask like an airtight oxygen mask would do the trick, quite quickly, or like they use to give gas to a patient in the hospital.  I can tell you, that when they stick that thing on your face, all you get is gas, and you are out like a light.  Bye Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2012, 10:27:09 AM »
Death by Roseanne Barr................

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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2012, 10:35:26 AM »
Death by Roseanne Barr................


Now that would be cruel and unusual.  Five more minutes of her mangled National Anthem and I would kill myself.


Actually, she should have gotten the death penalty for the way she deliberately mangled the song.
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2012, 11:27:35 AM »
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Re: What type of execution methods you would like to have in the US?
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2012, 02:10:53 PM »
Agreed with Pam on wishing the death penalty was not needed but that is clearly not the case.

As for the poll question, my official answer would be whatever works, which clearly is any of those options.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.