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CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« on: April 11, 2012, 03:15:35 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/charles-manson-denied-parole-dangerous-man/story?id=16111128

The notorious "Helter Skelter" killer was denied parole for the 12th time... Charles Manson is serving a life sentence in California's Corcoran Prison for his role in the murders, which took place in 1969.

Manson was initially sentenced to die in California's gas chamber for his role in the murders. However, the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty at that time to be unconstitutional against the California Constitution. 

Accordingly, Manson's sentence was commuted to life in prison.  However, since California had no life without parole standard back then, Manson is brought up for periodic parole reviews.  He's been denied for parole 12 times now.

His next date with the parole board will be in 15 years. He will be 92 years old then.

From ABC News:

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By CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
April 11, 2012
Notorious killer Charles Manson was denied parole today after a California parole board noted that he recently bragged to a prison psychologist, "I am a very dangerous man."

Manson, now a gray haired 77, was denied parole for the 12th time. He is serving a life sentence for seven murders in the 1969 "Helter Skelter" killing spree in Los Angeles.

"This panel can find nothing good as far as suitability factors go," said John Peck, a member of the panel that met at Corcoran State Prison in central California for the hearing, according to a pool report from the Associated Press.

Peck read aloud some comments Manson had recently said to one of his prison psychologists.

"I'm special. I'm not like the average inmate," Peck read. "I have spent my life in prison. I have put five people in the grave. I am a very dangerous man."

"This panel agrees with that statement," Peck said.

Today could have been Manson's last chance for freedom since the California Department of Corrections set Manson's next hearing for 15 years from now. Manson would be 92 by then.


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 08:15:29 PM »
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Today could have been Manson's last chance for freedom since the California Department of Corrections set Manson's next hearing for 15 years from now. Manson would be 92 by then.


I think its safe to say Charlie will die in prison where he belongs. Can't imagine anyone wanting to take the heat politically for letting him go. He might be too old and frail to cause much ruckus now, but who knows. Even if he were released he'd just be living off the state. So if the taxpayers are going to be supporting his worthless carcass either way, why not have him behind bars where there isn't much of a chance he can ever hurt anyone. That's the pragmatic point of view. Let's not forget that he was sentenced to death and had his conviction overturned. In cases like that, life should mean life.

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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 12:05:45 AM »
We have another link who talks about the case Of Charles Manson :


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 01:35:16 AM »
Well, he is going to get LWOP anyway......thank God
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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 09:07:39 AM »
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Today could have been Manson's last chance for freedom since the California Department of Corrections set Manson's next hearing for 15 years from now. Manson would be 92 by then.


I think its safe to say Charlie will die in prison where he belongs. Can't imagine anyone wanting to take the heat politically for letting him go. He might be too old and frail to cause much ruckus now, but who knows. Even if he were released he'd just be living off the state. So if the taxpayers are going to be supporting his worthless carcass either way, why not have him behind bars where there isn't much of a chance he can ever hurt anyone. That's the pragmatic point of view. Let's not forget that he was sentenced to death and had his conviction overturned. In cases like that, life should mean life.

His conviction was never overturned. What happened was the California Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the state constitution. As a result, the inmates that were presently awaiting execution including Manson and Robert F. Kennedy murderer Sirhan Sirhan were all spared execution and their sentences were reduced to life in prison. However, at the time, California did not have life in prison without parole as it has today. Therefore, Manson and Sirhan Sirhan are brought up for periodic parole reviews, since they were sentenced before California adopted the life without parole standard.

Following is a brief timeline about the death penalty in California from 1972 until today:

February 18, 1972
California's Supreme Court declared the death penalty cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the state constitution. 107 inmates are taken off death row and resentenced. A similar decision is rendered in 1976 and 68 inmates are resentenced.

August 11, 1977
Legislature re-enacts the death penalty. Under the new statute, evidence in mitigation is permitted. The death penalty is reinstated as a possible punishment for first degree murder under certain conditions. These "special circumstances" include: murder for financial gain, murder by a person previously convicted of murder, murder of multiple victims, murder with torture, murder of a peace officer, murder of a witness to prevent testimony and several other murders under particular circumstances.

1977
In 1977, the Penal Code was revised to include the sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. At that time, the punishment for kidnapping for ransom, extortion, or robbery was changed from death to life without parole. Treason, train derailing or wrecking, and securing the death of an innocent person through perjury became punishable by death or life imprisonment without parole.

November 7, 1978
Voters approve a broader death penalty law that replaces the 1977 statute.

April 21, 1992
California resumes executions with the execution of Robert Alton Harris.

August 27, 1992
Lethal injection is added as a method of execution. Inmates may now choose between injection and lethal gas.

August 24, 1993
David Mason is executed after he forfeited his appeals.

October 4, 1994
Gas chamber is ruled cruel and unusual punishment and therefore unconstitutional. Lethal injection is now sole the method of execution.

February 23, 1996
Willliam Bonin is the first executed by lethal injection.

May 3, 1996
Keith (Danny) Williams is executed.

July 14, 1998
Thomas Martin Thompson is executed, despite evidence of innocence.

Febuary 9, 1999
Jaturun Siripongs, a Thai national, becomes the sixth person to be executed by the state of California.

May 4, 1999
Manual Babbitt, a vietnam war veteran with a history of mental illness and post traumatic stress syndrome, is executed.

March 15, 2000
Darrell Young Elk Rich, the first Native American to be executed by the State of California since reinstatement of the death penalty, is executed. Young Elk's request for a sacred sweat lodge, a purification ceremony equivalent to a Catholic's last rites, was denied.

March 27, 2001
Robert Lee Massie was executed by the state of California. Massie had voluntarily ended his appeals process after nearly thirty years on death row.

January 29, 2002
Stephen Wayne Anderson is executed by the state of California.

January 19, 2005
Donald Jay Beardslee is executed by the State of California.

December 13, 2005
Stanley Tookie Williams is executed by the State of California.

January 17, 2006
Clarence Ray Allen is executed by the State of California. 
   


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2012, 11:42:15 AM »
Augmentablely, Charles Manson could be released from prison but I truly do not see that as an option.  He's really a fricking nut job.  I had the unpleasant opportunity of meeting him about 30-35 years ago in Vacaville State Mental facility and he was crazy as a loon then.  I can only imagine he's gotten even crazier since then.

A few years back Susan Adkins's husband and attorneys tried to get her released on a medical issue but the good folks at the parole board denied her petition for "compassionate release".  Thankfully she died a horrible and painful death in prison where she belonged.
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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 12:10:27 PM »
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and note that at least Susan Atkins did something constructive with her time behind bars.   Even though she should have been executed long ago. 

Manson on the other hand has done absolutely NOTHING constructive.


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 01:35:21 PM »
I agree Pam - Susan Atkins' constructive activity in prison was.....SHE DIED!!
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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 01:56:35 PM »
She did a bit more than that, but there was no way she could make up the evil she did with manson.  I am hoping he dies soon, and is relegated to the trash.  I do think there was a motive to the Tate murders.  I saw a documentary on Manson and he was taken to the studio to meet Terry Melchior, a record producer who lived at the time in the home Sharon and her husband, Roman Polanski, later rented.  Manson may have wanted to kill Melchior for not getting a fat record contract.
Be that as it may, he is a monster and should NEVER be allowed out.  Even into the prisons exercise yard.
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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 05:06:34 PM »
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Today could have been Manson's last chance for freedom since the California Department of Corrections set Manson's next hearing for 15 years from now. Manson would be 92 by then.


I think its safe to say Charlie will die in prison where he belongs. Can't imagine anyone wanting to take the heat politically for letting him go. He might be too old and frail to cause much ruckus now, but who knows. Even if he were released he'd just be living off the state. So if the taxpayers are going to be supporting his worthless carcass either way, why not have him behind bars where there isn't much of a chance he can ever hurt anyone. That's the pragmatic point of view. Let's not forget that he was sentenced to death and had his conviction overturned. In cases like that, life should mean life.

His conviction was never overturned. What happened was the California Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the state constitution. As a result, the inmates that were presently awaiting execution including Manson and Robert F. Kennedy murderer Sirhan Sirhan were all spared execution and their sentences were reduced to life in prison. However, at the time, California did not have life in prison without parole as it has today. Therefore, Manson and Sirhan Sirhan are brought up for periodic parole reviews, since they were sentenced before California adopted the life without parole standard.


 


Sorry Rick. I misspoke. I meant the death penalty was 'overturned.' Thanks for correcting me.

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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 06:50:28 PM »
I agree Pam - Susan Atkins' constructive activity in prison was.....SHE DIED!!


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 12:12:35 PM »
From what I have read, Patricia Krenwinkle has worked hard to better herslf and is involved in training companion dogs and supporting women with addictions.  Although I appreciate her efforts to redeem herself, and help others, this is no way mitigates the horrendous crimes committed.   

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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 03:48:23 PM »
Maybe she is the one I was thinking about...   I knew one of them had done some good behind bars.


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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 04:45:39 PM »
I don't think you are wrong, Pam.  Apparently all three women have bettered themselves, have used their time productively and are "model" inmates.  These "mitigating" factors are used by their supporters and public defenders to gain their release.  Even the California Parole Board has praised their behavior and activities while in prison, but have consistently denied parole due to the heinous crime and evidence they have not fully accepted their involvement, blaming Manson's influence, their own drug use and youth.  One of the women sued saying that the Parole Board was unduly influenced by the notoriety of the crimes to consistently deny parole in violation of their rights somehow.  Case denied as they are still doing time in the Big House.

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Re: CA: Charles Manson denied parole for 12th time
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2012, 08:34:18 PM »
She still doesn't deserve an early release unless she can somehow bring her victims back to life.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.