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Offline JTiscool

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Am I the only one here....
« on: July 11, 2011, 02:04:23 PM »
who believes the terms in trial not guilty and guilty should be changed to "not proven" and "proven"?

Like the terminology can be changed to

"We the jury find the charge of murder in the first degree against defendant ________________ to be (not proven or proven)"

Judge: On the charge of first degree murder, how does your client plead?

Lawyer: My client pleads that the crime is "not proven".

My reasoning is it would show people that being found not guilty or acquitted does not mean innocent.

Yes, I am bringing this up partially as a result of the Casey Anthony case lol

Why or why not?
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 02:11:31 PM »
You are on the right track JT...that is why juries don't use the word innocent, not guilty means not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or unproven : ).

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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 02:13:02 PM »
Nope, I completely agree with you!!
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 08:12:37 PM »
I, myself, personally like not proven or GUILTY!
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 11:40:00 PM »
Scotland seems to have it right...... three verdicts
Guilty
Not Guilty
not proven

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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 11:44:53 PM »
Seems about right. I just can't stand that the minority of the people who I discussed this with including one of my friends doesn't understand that all because you are found not guilty, doesn't mean you are innocent. Yesterday he said that if the jury says she is not guilty then someone else killed her (Talking about the Casey Anthony case of course).
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 04:27:12 AM »
The 'not proven' verdict is hardly ever used in Scotland these days, but it is still on the statute books.

England did away with the jeapordy issue a few years ago too and a scumbag can be tried again for the same crime even if found 'not guilty', but this has only been done once.

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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2011, 12:47:53 AM »
You can move to Germany JTiscool - we  have guilty, not proven and innocent.... You would like it. Not the sentences and the lack of the DP, but we have 3 options to get "fair" verdicts.
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 06:35:25 AM »
Not guilty means not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.   There is no reason to change anything.  And let me repeat: The jury really screwed up in this case.  The more they open their mouths, the more idiotic they demonstrate themselves to be.  Again, I believe turning these trials into televised circuses contributes to juries not taking their jobs seriously.
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Re: Am I the only one here....
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 05:04:18 PM »
Actually if we are innocent until proven guilty, why would we not use those terms?
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