Am I the only one here....

Started by JTiscool, July 11, 2011, 09:04:23 PM

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JTiscool

who believes the terms in trial not guilty and guilty should be changed to "not proven" and "proven"?

Like the terminology can be changed to

"We the jury find the charge of murder in the first degree against defendant ________________ to be (not proven or proven)"

Judge: On the charge of first degree murder, how does your client plead?

Lawyer: My client pleads that the crime is "not proven".

My reasoning is it would show people that being found not guilty or acquitted does not mean innocent.

Yes, I am bringing this up partially as a result of the Casey Anthony case lol

Why or why not?
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

deeg

You are on the right track JT...that is why juries don't use the word innocent, not guilty means not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or unproven : ).

Dee
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Kitten Resq

Nope, I completely agree with you!!
Some people say I'm a horrible person, but it's not true!  I have the heart of an innocent girl....in a jar, on my desk

Victims have a dignitary interest in justice and vindication without interminable delay caused by guilty prisoners' attempts to stave off punishment.

Jim S

I, myself, personally like not proven or GUILTY!

Russki

Scotland seems to have it right...... three verdicts
Guilty
Not Guilty
not proven

Frenchy
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JTiscool

Seems about right. I just can't stand that the minority of the people who I discussed this with including one of my friends doesn't understand that all because you are found not guilty, doesn't mean you are innocent. Yesterday he said that if the jury says she is not guilty then someone else killed her (Talking about the Casey Anthony case of course).
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

ggbop

The 'not proven' verdict is hardly ever used in Scotland these days, but it is still on the statute books.

England did away with the jeapordy issue a few years ago too and a scumbag can be tried again for the same crime even if found 'not guilty', but this has only been done once.

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Michael

You can move to Germany JTiscool - we  have guilty, not proven and innocent.... You would like it. Not the sentences and the lack of the DP, but we have 3 options to get "fair" verdicts.
I´m not sure if there´s a hell, but I believe in executed murderers.

Gregg Fisher

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July 13, 2011, 01:35:25 PM Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 05:21:41 PM by Gregg Fisher
Not guilty means not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.   There is no reason to change anything.  And let me repeat: The jury really screwed up in this case.  The more they open their mouths, the more idiotic they demonstrate themselves to be.  Again, I believe turning these trials into televised circuses contributes to juries not taking their jobs seriously.

charlieb1488

Actually if we are innocent until proven guilty, why would we not use those terms?

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