Mark Wayne Wiles - OH - 04/18/2012

[Granny B]

"6. The decorum of this forum is PRO death penalty. We will, at every execution, hoot, holler and celebrate the life of the victim. You must understand that if you do not wish to view these acts of celebration you are free to leave and find a more suitable website geared towards your own beliefs. We will not modify our actions to suit those who are offended by us. Complaining will not be tolerated and could be cause for immediate removal from this site with no further notice."

Again, agree with UKTom.  The rules say celebrate the life of the victim.  I don't see anywhere that states trash someone who has paid their debt to society!!! He is square with the house again.  People don't need to like what he has done, I don't like what he has done.  He deserved his punishment, and received it. Let's everybody show some class and move on.

The murderer will never be "square with the house again."  There is no "square with the house again" where the murder of our loved ones are concerned.

It's obvious you have never lost a loved one to murder.  So obviously you fail to understand the feelings of the victim's family or their reasons.  Until you have walked a few miles in our shoes, it would be better if you refrained from defending the murderers!

And no matter what you think, his "debt to society will never be paid."  The only way to relieve that "debt to society" would be to restore the life of our loved one, and no one can do that!!

[donvito111]

I did not post for some time but I read the most threads and postings. If I am allowed to adress to UK and Naviator this are my 2 cents worth:

I agree with you. I fully agree with you. BUT: Only if a convicted Honkey Tonk POS killer is able to bring back the life he or she has taken for NO reason whatsoever.

[deeg]

We celebrate the life of the victim and celebrate justice being (finally) fulfilled for the MVS and all of society.

Dee

[Naviator]

We celebrate the life of the victim and celebrate justice being (finally) fulfilled for the MVS and all of society.

Dee

Deeg - I can appreciate that.  I too am for both of those things, but not for trashing someone who just died.  I too am happy that justice is served, and I can celebrate while maintaining an adult demeanour.

I did not post for some time but I read the most threads and postings. If I am allowed to adress to UK and Naviator this are my 2 cents worth:

I agree with you. I fully agree with you. BUT: Only if a convicted Honkey Tonk POS killer is able to bring back the life he or she has taken for NO reason whatsoever.

Donvito - let's talk about what is realistic.  Of course he can't bring back the victim, we can't go back and prevent it from happening.  It's crappy, but it is reality.  So how can the killer make amends.  Truth is, he can't.  All he can do, at most, is pay with his life.  If you can figure out a way for him to do more, I'm willing to listen, and I would most likely support such measures.  The victims and their families deserve no less.  But he has done all that was asked by the courts, which was forfeit his life.  What more can he do?

"6. The decorum of this forum is PRO death penalty. We will, at every execution, hoot, holler and celebrate the life of the victim. You must understand that if you do not wish to view these acts of celebration you are free to leave and find a more suitable website geared towards your own beliefs. We will not modify our actions to suit those who are offended by us. Complaining will not be tolerated and could be cause for immediate removal from this site with no further notice."

Again, agree with UKTom.  The rules say celebrate the life of the victim.  I don't see anywhere that states trash someone who has paid their debt to society!!! He is square with the house again.  People don't need to like what he has done, I don't like what he has done.  He deserved his punishment, and received it. Let's everybody show some class and move on.

The murderer will never be "square with the house again."  There is no "square with the house again" where the murder of our loved ones are concerned.

I'm sorry for your loss Granny.  It's not the first time I've said it, and in all honesty, it may not be the last.  We disagree on a few things/issues, and I know you take debates personally, even when they aren't intended that way.  I think you view the house as the victim's family.  If that's the case, you're right, he can never fully repay what he has taken.  I was referring to everybody else here who have no involvement in this case.  As a society, he has paid their debt to them.  Society elects judges to represent them, the judge issued a sentence, and it was carried out.  He owes society nothing.  If the judge issued 20 years hard labour then death, well then I guess he short changed society 20 years hard labour.  That's not the case.  And until we can execute them multiple times, that's all we can ask.  As I mentioned above, we can't bring victims back, I wish we could.  When I refer to "square with the house", that's what I was referring to.

It's obvious you have never lost a loved one to murder.  So obviously you fail to understand the feelings of the victim's family or their reasons.  Until you have walked a few miles in our shoes, it would be better if you refrained from defending the murderers!

And no matter what you think, his "debt to society will never be paid."  They only way to relieve that "debt to society" would be to restore the life of our loved one, and no one can do that!!

And you are way out of line saying I'm defending a murderer.  I'm not saying to let him live, that he is right, or anything to that effect.  I stated that it is classless to continue mocking someone who was just executed.  If anything, it was a comment on the behaviour of members on the site, rather than a defense of the murderer.  This murderer, believe it or not, still may have family who love(d) him.  They may be lurking this site seeing what people are saying.  While they should expect people to be for the execution of their relative, there is no need for dancing on the grave afterwards.  We have seen other murderers relatives on here as members, so it does occur.  They are grieving too, and we should conduct ourselves like adults, not adolescents.  Also, the mocking the murderer after execution has been a contentious issue in the past with other members, so I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.  And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if such behaviour has driven members away.

You are right, I haven't lost someone to murder, but that doesn't mean I haven't experienced my share of tragedies in life.  Just because I choose not to share things on this website, it doesn't mean the hardships/tragedies in my life should be diminished.  You would not like me to diminish the effects of what you have experienced, so please provide me the same courtesy.

[Last Suppers]

Heaven forbid that it ever becomes illegal to mock death row inmates! I'd be out of business!

[Russki]

I am really beginning to wonder about some on this forum. Clearly they have not lost someone through murder and frankly I find their pontificating extremely irritating as they just show their ignorance of what these murderers have really done to the loved ones of the victims.

They may have been executed  and obviously nothing more than that can be done to them. but to state that they have paid their debt to society is ridiculous. They can never compenstae for what they have done.

I suggest that those who appear to be unable to read the rules of this forum should go elsewhere.

Naviator and UKTom, HOW DARE YOU PREACH TO US ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL TO MURDERERS. JOIN PTO.

I for one will continue to dance on their graves and would crap on them too given the chance.

[Jase]

I am really beginning to wonder about some on this forum. Clearly they have not lost someone through murder and frankly I find their pontificating extremely irritating as they just show their ignorance of what these murderers have really done to the loved ones of the victims.

They may have been executed  and obviously nothing more than that can be done to them. but to state that they have paid their debt to society is ridiculous. They can never compenstae for what they have done.

I suggest that those who appear to be unable to read the rules of this forum should go elsewhere.

Naviator and UKTom, HOW DARE YOU PREACH TO US ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL TO MURDERERS. JOIN PTO.

I for one will continue to dance on their graves and would shit on them too given the chance.

 
Mate Shittings too good for them it could be used for someting usefull like compost!!!!
 
Dont worry about the others if we ignore them they will go away. I do share some sympathy for the person being EX'd I think it sad they had to waste so much time on DR thinking what was approaching. I would be much happer if they just went to their fate much much earlier.... What was that? They dont feel bad about being there that long?? Really? Oh well F$#k them then!!!

[Russki]

I believe we have a new sub group on this forum.

family: Jerk
genus: Ignoramous
species: Luvvie

President and founder of the LUVVIES.  UKTom

Founder member   Naviator.

Both make me truly sick and very angry.

[UKTom]

Wow! What happened to attack the post and not the poster???

Is this the response any poster is likely to get for suggesting an alternative view?

Is every post that questions standard thinking likely to be twisted from 'An execution should be a time to respect the victims - mocking serves no purpose' to 'UKTom loves murderers'?

At no point as either myself or Naviator sympathised in ANY way with the murderers...both of us state that JUSTICE has been done. I am truly baffled by some of the replies!

[Russki]

"Is this the response any poster is likely to get for suggesting an alternative view?"

Tell you what, Mucker. When you come swanning in to a forum as a newcomer, it is a good idea to establish yourself and understand the sentiments of the forum and its founder. Many on this board are families of victims and for you to suggest politeness and gravitas to executed murderers will without a doubt elicit strong responses.

The maximum justice that can be given to a murderer is death but that does not even the score. Your 'alternative view' issued so early in your posts suggests to me you have another agenda.

The bill of European Human Rights that causes so much difficulty in the ECC was written by a Brit. Always favour the malfaisant over honest folks. That is the UK for you I guess.

You just show how little you really know (or care) about how people feel after a loved one has been murdererd.

Which bit of rule 6 did you two numpties not understand?

6. The decorum of this forum is PRO death penalty. We will, at every execution, hoot, holler and celebrate the life of the victim. You must understand that if you do not wish to view these acts of celebration you are free to leave and find a more suitable website geared towards your own beliefs. We will not modify our actions to suit those who are offended by us. Complaining will not be tolerated and could be cause for immediate removal from this site with no further notice.



Have a nice day

Frenchy  (family of victim)

[UKTom]

for you to suggest politeness and gravitas to executed murderers will without a doubt elicit strong responses.

There it is again...completely twisting my post! Why?

What do you gain by attempting to brandish my posts as something they are not?

My original post was that the death of a murderer/serial killer is a time to respect the families of the victims….less should be made of mocking the killer/serial killer and more should be made of supporting the victim!

And as for the rules: I overlooked them (as we all do…how many actually ‘read the terms and conditions’ etc..) but once read I respectively stated that I had noted them and made no further comment.

I also don’t see the need to bring up my nationality…I have 0 problem with the French and in fact am quite fond of them. I will visit the South of France up to 4 times a year…St Emillion produces some of the best wine (whats not to love!).

[Russki]

This subject has come up many times before and on this board some of us are tired of it.  Hopefully you may begin to understand now that many of us have quite sensitive views on the issue. I have to say that generally I do not do too much on the post X rejoicing but some find it very helpfel to them. 

"I also don’t see the need to bring up my nationality"

With a board name of UKTom, that was inevitable.

I have no problems with Brits with the exception of their PC ways. Let us leave it there and hopefully move forward

Frenchy

[UKTom]

Agreed on all accounts.

Takes or sorts to make a world (so ive been told)

Ah our PC brigade...yes its been on a crusade for some time now. We have banned "Bar Bar Black Sheep" as a nursery rhyme, TV show Midsummer Murders had to include ethnic minorities in its show even though the programme was trying to re-create quintessential village life and pray time at the beginning of council meetings.

Still gives me a laugh or two

[Elric of Melnibone]

I celebrate.  I celebrate that we are once again safe.  That a dangerous rabid animal is put down.  That we can sleep safley knowing that this POS will never harm anyone again.  That is what I celebrate.  I celebrate that there is a family and kindred of the victims in crime get justice.  Even if, so often, it is meager.  Because that family will ALWAYS have an empty spot at holidays, celebrations, weddings.  That family will only have stories and pictures that will fade in time but that hole will always be there.

That is what I celebrate.

[AnneTheBelgian]

Excuse me you all but if it is possible, I would like to write this :


1. We are pro death penalty supporters.

2. We honor the victims and their families.

3. We celebrate justice because we consider that a murderer sentenced to death and executed will not continue his crimes.

4.  We aren't monsters who love blood and violence.

5. For us, a killer who stops to breathe is the best solution. Yes, the families of the victims have always sadness and pain. They must continue to "live" with this great drama but they can try to find some peace and quiet after the execution of the murderer.

6. The society doesn't deserve killers and it is too easy for them to try to find an excuse to explain their actions.

7. The death penalty is for us the best solution and a murderer must pay the price with his life.





I think that I am clear !

Thanks !




Anne