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Charles Manson: L.A. prosecutors strongly oppose parole

April 5, 2012 | 11:31 am

The Los Angeles County district attorney's office on Thursday said it would vigorously oppose the release of mass killer Charles Manson, 77, at an upcoming parole hearing.

A parole board will consider whether Manson should be released from Corcoran State Prison on  Wednesday, though the chances of that happening are pretty slim. The board has rejected parole for Manson 11 times before.

"We consistently [opposed parole] and will continue to do so," said DA's spokesman Sandi Gibbons.

In 2007 at his last parole hearing, the board concluded that Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."

Manson refused to participate in that hearing, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations in 2007.

"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," Los Angeles County Deputy Dist. Atty. Patrick Sequeira said at the time. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."

A new photo released by the California prison system shows Manson with long, gray hair and a beard. It was released at the request of CNN.

Manson and other members of his so-called family were convicted of killing actress Sharon Tate and six other people during a bloody rampage in the Los Angeles area during two August nights in 1969. Prosecutors said that Manson and his followers were trying to incite a race war that he believed was prophesized in the Beatles' song "Helter Skelter."

Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8½ months pregnant when she was killed at the couple's hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug. 9, 1969. Polanski was out of the country working on a film. Besides Tate, four others were stabbed and shot to death including Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; Abigail Folger, 25, a coffee heiress; and Steven Parent, 18, a friend of Tate's caretaker. The word "Pig" was written on the front door in blood.

The next night, Manson rode along with his cohorts to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders. "Death to pigs" was written on a wall, and "Healter Skelter," which was misspelled, on the refrigerator door.

Manson was also convicted of the earlier murder of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where Manson had his commune.

Manson initially was sentenced to death. A 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court found the state's death penalty law at the time unconstitutional and his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.






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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2012, 12:49:09 PM »
Wait a minute. If he orchestrated so many murders then why isn't he serving consecutive sentences at the very least?


When the sentences were comuted, the sentences were concurrent with the possibility of parole.

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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2012, 02:28:50 PM »
Wait a minute. If he orchestrated so many murders then why isn't he serving consecutive sentences at the very least?


He was convicted and sentenced to death.  When they overturned the death penalty in the 70's everyone on death row in the US was commuted to life, which made him and his followers eligible for parole.  Double jeopardy applies here.  He was tried and convicted once, but could not ever be tried for the same crimes again.  Therefore this POS is still living, breathing and polluting our air.
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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 02:36:30 PM »
I just thought that since he was convicted of multiple murders, the sentences would stack but I guess not...
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2012, 02:38:22 PM »
The judge makes the determination to sentence someone to consecutive or concurrent sentences.  That Manson was originally sentenced to death so there was no life decision.  When the DP was overturned, CA reverted all DP sentences to life with parole, as at the time of the original sentencing, life without parole was not an option. 

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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2012, 02:45:55 PM »
Ah, well thankfully the chances of him getting out are non-existent.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/charles-manson-parole-decision-expected-by-this-afternoon.html

Charles Manson parole decision expected by this afternoon

April 11, 2012 |  8:52 am

The 12th parole hearing for mass murderer Charles Manson was set to get underway Wednesday morning at a Central California prison, though it's unlikely he will attend.

Manson informed prison officials last week that he would not attend the hearing. In the past, he's dismissed the event, saying he's a "political prisoner." The last time he attended a parole hearing was 1997.

The board was supposed to begin its work in the next hour or so, reviewing psychological reports, statements of victims and other materials. A decision is expected by late Wednesday afternoon.

Even if Manson doesn't attend, he will be represented by a lawyer. Attorney DeJon R. Lewis said he would like to see Manson transferred to Atascadero State Hospital from the state prison near Corcoran. "Charles Manson does not need incarceration at this point in his life," Lewis told CNN. "He needs hospitalization."

He and other members of his so-called family were convicted of killing actress Sharon Tate and six other people during a bloody rampage in the Los Angeles area during two August nights in 1969. He is housed at Corcoran State Prison in a special unit for inmates felt to be endangered by other inmates, separate from the general prison population.

Twice in the last few years, Corcoran guards said they found the notorious killer in possession of a cellphone. Manson called people in California, New Jersey and Florida with an LG flip phone discovered under his prison bunk in March 2009, The Times reported in 2011. A second phone was found a year later. Thirty days were added to his sentence for the first offense, officials said.

Earlier, a homemade weapon was found in his possession.

Despite the prospect that Manson will be absent, the Los Angeles County district attorney's office said it would vigorously oppose Manson's release. "We consistently [opposed parole] and will continue to do so," spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

A new photo released by the California prison system shows Manson with long, gray hair and a beard. It was released at the request of CNN.

In 2007 at Manson's last parole hearing, the board concluded he "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."

Prosecutors said Manson and his followers were trying to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."

Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8½ months pregnant when she was killed at the couple's hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug. 9, 1969. Polanski was out of the country working on a film. Besides Tate, four others were stabbed and shot to death: Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; Abigail Folger, 25, a coffee heiress; and Steven Parent, 18, a friend of Tate's caretaker. The word "Pig" was written on the front door in blood.

The next night, Manson rode along with his cohorts to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders. "Death to pigs" was written on a wall, and "Healter Skelter," which was misspelled, was written on the refrigerator door.

Manson was also convicted of the earlier murder of musician Gary Hinman in his Topanga Canyon home, and the slaying of former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where Manson had his commune.

Manson initially was sentenced to death. A 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court found the state's death penalty law at the time unconstitutional and his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.






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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/11/justice/california-charles-manson/

Charles Manson denied parole, with next parole hearing set for 2027

By Michael Martinez, CNN

April 11, 2012 -- Updated 2017 GMT (0417 HKT)

Corcoran, California (CNN) -- Notorious killer Charles Manson, 77, was denied parole Wednesday after a California parole panel "could find nothing good as far as suitability" for his being paroled, a commissioner said.

Manson didn't show up for his parole hearing, which was held at a state prison in Corcoran, California, where he is serving a life sentence.

Manson's next parole hearing was scheduled for 15 years from now, meaning he could die in prison.

California Board of Parole Hearings Commissioner John Peck said that Manson has accumulated 108 serious disciplinary violations in prison since 1971 and that he has shown no indication of remorse for his nine murder convictions.

Manson hasn't participated in any self-help programs or vocational training, Peck said. Manson also hasn't shown any parole plans, he said.

Peck also cited Manson's statement to a psychologist in a prison interview on November 2, 2011, in which Manson stated:

"I am special. I am not like the average inmate. I have put five people in the grave. I've been in prison most of my life. I'm a very dangerous man," Manson told the psychologist, according to a report read aloud by Peck during the hearing.

Those statements marked a change from Manson's past denials of having murdered nine people in 1969, and the statements showed some insight into his crimes, Peck said, reading from the report.

But two-member parole panel still found the statements troubling, denying him parole and scheduling his next hearing for 15 years from now, the maximum allowed under law, Peck said.

That would put Manson at age 92 for his next hearing, unless he petitions the board for an earlier hearing.

Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira, who opposed Manson's parole at the hearing, said Manson is likely to die in prison. Sequeira said he didn't know which "five people" Manson was referring to in his statement to the psychologist.

"When you think a person will be 92 years old, it's very likely that there will be no further parole hearings for Mr. Manson," Sequeira told reporters after the 80-minute hearing concluded.

"He does not deserve to be returned to society," the prosecutor added. "He has a history of refusing to cooperate, not only with psychologists for evaluations, but also for treatment."

DeJon R. Lewis, Manson's state-appointed attorney, who has never met his client, said he didn't know why Manson didn't show up for the hearing. Manson hasn't appeared at any of his parole hearings during the past 15 years.

Manson didn't come out of his cell to participate in an interview with Lewis a month ago, Lewis told the parole panel.

"Quite frankly, I don't think he could have helped himself today by speaking on the record," Lewis told reporters after the hearing.

Manson now has been denied parole 12 times, authorities said.

Manson was initially sentenced to death for the grisly 1969 slayings of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and eight others by a group of his followers -- called his "family" -- as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite an apocalyptic race war between whites and blacks during the country's massive social unrest.

Manson's death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson and his family staged crime scenes to appear as if African-Americans or the Black Panthers committed the murders, Sequeira told the panel. He called the stabbing and shooting deaths "domestic terror."

After the race war, Manson and his followers would emerge from their desert retreat "to rule the world," Sequeira told the panel. Manson and his followers believed the Beatles' "White Album" predicted such an apocalyptic war, Sequeira told the panel.

Debra Tate, the sister of Sharon Tate, who attended Wednesday's hearing, told the parole panel that she believed Manson declined to attend the proceeding because he didn't want to hear her or any other victim's impact statement.

"He clearly does not want to be released into the public," Tate told the parole board.

After Manson was denied parole, with his next hearing scheduled for 2027, Tate was "elated," she told reporters. She has been attending Manson's parole hearings for the past 15 years.

"I was very pleased that we will never hear from Charlie Manson again," Tate told reporters. "I don't have to see him again. For this one, it's over."

Last October, Manson was found to be in possession of an inmate-manufactured weapon and he is now being held for 15 months in isolation in a secured housing unit in the California State Prison Corcoran, said Commissioner Gilbert Robles, the other member of the two-person parole panel.

In another incident, Manson was also found to be in a possession of a cell phone, another prison violation, the panel said.

Of the 108 serious discipline violations committed by Manson in prison, 35 of them were violent, Sequeira said.

Seven of the serious disciplinary violations occurred since Manson's previous parole hearing in 2007, the prosecutor said.

Manson has a history of manipulative and controlling behavior and has a record of mental health issues, including schizophrenia and a paranoid delusional disorder, Robles said.

Manson also had a history of using drugs such as LSD, amphetamines and barbiturates, but he hasn't participated in any self-help programs for the last 11 years, Robles said.

Manson dropped out of school at 3rd grade when he was 9 years old, and he spent years in boy reformatories. But he hasn't used his prison time to obtain a GED, which is an alternative high school diploma, according to Robles and Peck.





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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2012, 03:21:51 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/charles-manson-denied-parole-dangerous-man/story?id=16111128

The notorious "Helter Skelter" killer was denied parole for the 12th time... Charles Manson is serving a life sentence in California's Corcoran Prison for his role in the murders, which took place in 1969. Manson was initially sentenced to die in California's gas chamber for his role in the murders. However, the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty at that time to be unconstitutional against the California Constitution.  Accordingly, Manson's sentence was commuted to life in prison.  However, since California had no life without parole standard back then, Manson is brought up before periodic parole reviews.  He's been denied for parole 12 times now.

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By CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27)
April 11, 2012
Notorious killer Charles Manson was denied parole today after a California parole board noted that he recently bragged to a prison psychologist, "I am a very dangerous man."

Manson, now a gray haired 77, was denied parole for the 12th time. He is serving a life sentence for seven murders in the 1969 "Helter Skelter" killing spree in Los Angeles.

"This panel can find nothing good as far as suitability factors go," said John Peck, a member of the panel that met at Corcoran State Prison in central California for the hearing, according to a pool report from the Associated Press.

Peck read aloud some comments Manson had recently said to one of his prison psychologists.

"I'm special. I'm not like the average inmate," Peck read. "I have spent my life in prison. I have put five people in the grave. I am a very dangerous man."

"This panel agrees with that statement," Peck said.

Today could have been Manson's last chance for freedom since the California Department of Corrections set Manson's next hearing for 15 years from now. Manson would be 92 by then.



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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2012, 05:30:19 PM »
This man is going to lucky if he gets to die in a public hospital. 
This was designed to hurt....Its a SEAL Candace unless you have been there yo will never understand...

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I have found this article :



http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/15/3556346/women-linked-by-manson-murders.html

Posted on Sun, Apr. 15, 2012 02:46 PM

Women linked by Manson murders form odd friendship

By TRACIE CONE

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CORCORAN, Calif. -- On August 9, 1969, two naive 17-year-old girls were launched on a path that led to the unlikeliest of friendships.

That infamous night, four young people under the sway of a charismatic career criminal slipped into a neighborhood of Hollywood glitterati, then bludgeoned and stabbed rising young actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger and two others. Across town the next night, the band killed again.

The name Charles Manson quickly became a synonym for unimaginable evil, which nobody knows better than Debra Tate, Sharon's little sister, and Barbara Hoyt, the Manson family member whose testimony helped put the killers in prison.

"We've got a lot in common," said Hoyt, now a retired nurse. "She has been a big help to me."

"She makes sure I am holding my head up high," Tate said, "and I do the same for her."

Now both about 60, a Manson family member and the last living Tate family member have bonded in their long quest to keep those responsible behind bars. Both have testified repeatedly at Manson's parole hearings. Both say they still get threats from the cult killer's supporters - mostly white supremacists enamored with murders Manson orchestrated to incite a race war dubbed "Helter Skelter."

Even now not a day passes without Hoyt dwelling on the suffering Manson and her former comrades inflicted and on the widespread terror that ensued.

"We are completely linked by this event whether we want to be or not," she said of Debra Tate, who now runs a crime victims group. "She understands me, and I understand where she's coming from."

Hoyt never committed a crime for Manson, and her testimony helped send the cult leader and four followers to death row in 1971. The following year, when the California Supreme Court ruled the death penalty unconstitutional, their new life terms made them eligible for a while for annual parole consideration.

That is when the lives of Barbara Hoyt and Debra Tate began to intertwine. Over the decades, each as written letters to parole panels urging that the killers never be released, and each has traveled to obscure California farming towns for parole hearings in prisons housing some of the state's most notorious convicts.

At first Hoyt testified partly out of fear that the killers would seek revenge if released. But after becoming a registered nurse, she realized that the psychological and emotional pain of having to relive her involvement with the cult was another part of her payback to society.

"It's a descent into hell and then having to climb back out again," Hoyt said. "I think about it and I feel I was simply there to be a witness, because that has been my role. God gave me that role, and that's my reality."

Meanwhile Tate's late mother, Doris, had become the driving force for victims' rights in California and was instrumental in a 1982 law that allows family members to testify about their losses at trials and parole hearings.

When Doris died, that left her daughters Debra and Patti to carry on with her work. Patti died of breast cancer in 2000, leaving Debra, disabled from a postal service accident, to go it alone.

"Over time our mutual efforts brought us together," Hoyt said.

Now they talk regularly on the phone and get together when they're in the same town, usually for a parole hearing. Tate lives in the Southern California desert, and Hoyt in the Pacific Northwest, the specific location wants to keep secret.

Trapped in drab institutional waiting rooms, they realized they were the same age and shared similar middle-class upbringings. Both were divorced mothers who raised daughters on their own. In 2006, when Manson associate Bruce Davis was up for parole for another murder Manson had orchestrated, the two had time to talk.

"I discovered that I really like Barbara," said Tate, who now works for victims' rights through her website http://www.sharontate.net. "She is a good person. She has a good soul and a good spirit and she has come through for us when it was very iffy whether these core members were going to get out."

As the friendship developed, Tate realized that Barbara has suffered from the murders as much as she had. "She flew under such a horrible social stigma for so long," Tate said. "For Barbara to have suffered the same stigma as those other sociopaths, well it just wasn't right."

Hoyt didn't appear Wednesday for the 77-year-old Manson's 12th and probably final parole hearing because she knew the prospects were virtually nil that the state would release such a notorious killer.

That left Tate alone to listen anew to the gory details of her sister's death, her hands tightly clasped, her lips pursed and her foot tapping.

They will be together again in June when Davis comes back up for a hearing at the California Men's Colony near San Luis Obispo. The parole board found him suitable for release in 2010, but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger overruled the decision.

"We have been involved in this case since we were teenagers," Tate said. "Even if we could let go, the world would never let it go."

Both are adamant they will maintain the fight to keep all of them behind bars. Even though it is unlikely Manson's core group will ever be let go, they hope their resolve inspires other victims of crime.

"Both of us have been attacked by websites, viciously attacked over many, many years," Hoyt said. "I'd like to be an example to anyone who is ever a witness to a crime to come forward and be brave. Evil can be stopped, but it's up to us as people to do it."








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Re: Charles Manson breaks his 20 year silence.
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2012, 03:12:06 PM »
Wait a minute. If he orchestrated so many murders then why isn't he serving consecutive sentences at the very least?


When the sentences were comuted, the sentences were concurrent with the possibility of parole.

Correct, when the California Supreme Court in 1972 declared the death penalty was in violation of the state constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment; those awaiting execution on California's death row including Charles Manson and Robert F. Kennedy murderer Sirhan Sirhan escaped execution.  Their sentences were reduced to life in prison.  However, at the time of the ruling, California did not have the life in prison without parole standard.  Therefore, Manson and Sirhan Sirhan and others who were on death row at the time are brought up for periodic parole reviews.

When the California Legislature reinstated the death penalty in 1977; it provided that evidence in mitigation could be introduced, and the life in prison without the possibility of parole standard was also adopted as an alternative sentence to the death penalty in a first degree murder case.