Gary Ridgway (62)

[Maiken]

What do you say about that one?

He did NOT get DP and is not on death row.

[Wicket]

There is nothing to Discuss Maiken. He deserves to die and is guilty as all hell but it is what it is and he will never be put to death by Judicial Process.   

This thread has no point 

[Maiken]

Only wanted to put that on for folks, who said, that only the most heinous murderers get DP and that the law system works.
A constant threat to his souring goes also much more for him, than on any other on death row.

Perhaps he does not go to hell, because he is one of their best representives here on earth.

Wish you a nice day for discussing the rightenous of DP and of the law.

Anyway what some use here is offender language and stalking some one on internet, spreading pictures and so, is a offense in my country, apart from insult and might be punished by.

Those people have become themselves more to the criminals, they loathe, than they would believe themselves.

[Wicket]

And I do understand that, but you are not examining the case and the reasons why the DP was not on the table.... the people on this board are happy to debate case by case as we have some very knowledgeable members. I don't think the message was that EVERY offender who deserves death gets it, Just that those that have that particular distinction have earned every last drop of it (and more)

No country can reasonably say that their Justice System is perfect. Is that what you are intimating about your country's justice system because you do not have the DP?

[Maiken]

And I do understand that, but you are not examining the case and the reasons why the DP was not on the table.... the people on this board are happy to debate case by case as we have some very knowledgeable members. I don't think the message was that EVERY offender who deserves death gets it, Just that those that have that particular distinction have earned every last drop of it (and more)

No country can reasonably say that their Justice System is perfect. Is that what you are intimating about your country's justice system because you do not have the DP?

No, because I think that Justice system in ANY country is only a try to achieve justice and to serve the needs of society.

There is NO country on earth, were it is perfect. Same goes down to Germany.

I wrote that before and I write again, that some persons here have become, judging from the language they use and the way they behave, like offenders themselves.

[Wicket]

And I can appreciate that but, it has nothing to do with Mr Ridgeway.....

[Michigal]

Ridgeway should be on Death Row but he made a deal to confess to all of his many murders and help find many of the missing bodies for his life. While he does deserve to die for his crimes, the da decided that there were still too many missing girls and too many answered questions and gave him the opportunity to spare his life if he could show where most of his victims were and not fight each one in court. They knew there were many more out there and while they probably could have gotten the DP for several, there still would have been too many missing cases and families wondering where their loved ones were.
The state made a deal with the devil to find these girls for their families and I cannot fault them for that. At least he agreed to plead guilty to all charges so he is not causing more anguish to the families of his victims and Satan will get him in time.

[AnneTheBelgian]

Here we go again...Maiken and the American Judicial System... Do you want to be in a comic strip ?

Ridgway is a murderer who deserves to be sentenced to death and to die for his heinous crimes







Anne

[JTiscool]

She is right! He didn't get the DP and he is a heinous murderer. My opinion on the death penalty has changed. I think all murderers should get concurrent sentences of 10 years probation no matter how brutal the crime.................

In all seriousness, we said every guilty murderer on death row deserved it and committed a heinous act, not every brutal murderer is on death row. You got our words twisted just to try to make a case against the death penalty, which didn't work.

Those people have become themselves more to the criminals, they loathe, than they would believe themselves.

Nope. Profanity on a message board doesn't even compare to taking another's life. What a silly comparison.

There is NO country on earth, were it is perfect. Same goes down to Germany.

No one said it was. Mr. Gary may not be hung but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be. End of story. Next case on the docket please.

[Maiken]

She is right! He didn't get the DP and he is a heinous murderer. My opinion on the death penalty has changed. I think all murderers should get concurrent sentences of 10 years probation no matter how brutal the crime.................

In all seriousness, we said every guilty murderer on death row deserved it and committed a heinous act, not every brutal murderer is on death row. You got our words twisted just to try to make a case against the death penalty, which didn't work.

Those people have become themselves more to the criminals, they loathe, than they would believe themselves.

Nope. Profanity on a message board doesn't even compare to taking another's life. What a silly comparison.

There is NO country on earth, were it is perfect. Same goes down to Germany.

No one said it was. Mr. Gary may not be hung but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be. End of story. Next case on the docket please.

Some had argued, that only the most heinous crimes end up on Death row.

Seeing this case were a mass murderer could make a deal, shows that this is not true.

If I were cynical I would advise a coldblooded murderer, not to kill 1 or 2  people, but to at least 10 or 20, hide them somewhere and make a deal to show their graves, once you get caught.
This should be an easy exercise for a murderer, if I would take the words of some here, that a murderer will always murder again, until he he is dead and that only a dead murderer will not kill anymore.

I think the bargain which was made was right and did spare the victims family a lot of more sorrow. It was also done on a more realistic base than most of DP cases are.

That also goes to some arguments here and I do not think, that profanity is the right word for what some people write here.

[Michigal]

Well Maiken, not all serial killers are given a deal. Ted Bundy for example tried to get a stay in exchange for information on more victims but that was denied. It is up to the individual District attorney if they want to offer a deal and its up to the judge if it will be accepted.

Every crime and criminal is unique and must be judged separately to be fair. If it was an automatic Death sentence for murder than what about the physically abused wife, or sexually abused kids who finally had enough and snapped? While their crimes are not "justified" it is still a form of defense and not worthy of the death penalty.

The people on death row were all tried by a jury of their peers who heard all of the evidence, heard all of the experts explain the evidence and decided under an experienced judge that that individual crime was horrible enough that the criminal had lost their right to live and justice could only be served with their execution.

[Michigal]

Though it may be hard for you to believe Maiken, we are not blood thirsty savages. We are people who are tired of a society that is allowing criminals to terrorize the public while teaching our youth that there is very little if no consequences for these heinous actions.
 
The only way things will get better is if the youth of today learn that they cannot literally get away with murder and the worst thing they would have to worry about is living off the system for free for life. There are too many victims who need justice and too many people acting without conscience.

While we admit that our justice system is not perfect and needs fixing, we can only come together to support the one area we agree on, the Death Penalty.

[JTiscool]

She is right! He didn't get the DP and he is a heinous murderer. My opinion on the death penalty has changed. I think all murderers should get concurrent sentences of 10 years probation no matter how brutal the crime.................

In all seriousness, we said every guilty murderer on death row deserved it and committed a heinous act, not every brutal murderer is on death row. You got our words twisted just to try to make a case against the death penalty, which didn't work.

Those people have become themselves more to the criminals, they loathe, than they would believe themselves.

Nope. Profanity on a message board doesn't even compare to taking another's life. What a silly comparison.

There is NO country on earth, were it is perfect. Same goes down to Germany.

No one said it was. Mr. Gary may not be hung but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be. End of story. Next case on the docket please.

Some had argued, that only the most heinous crimes end up on Death row.

Seeing this case were a mass murderer could make a deal, shows that this is not true.

If I were cynical I would advise a coldblooded murderer, not to kill 1 or 2  people, but to at least 10 or 20, hide them somewhere and make a deal to show their graves, once you get caught.

This should be an easy exercise for a murderer, if I would take the words of some here, that a murderer will always murder again, until he he is dead and that only a dead murderer will not kill anymore.

I think the bargain which was made was right and did spare the victims family a lot of more sorrow. It was also done on a more realistic base than most of DP cases are.

That's another faulty argument against the death penalty. You're really just running on steam here.

[Maiken]

Though it may be hard for you to believe Maiken, we are not blood thirsty savages. We are people who are tired of a society that is allowing criminals to terrorize the public while teaching our youth that there is very little if no consequences for these heinous actions.
 
The only way things will get better is if the youth of today learn that they cannot literally get away with murder and the worst thing they would have to worry about is living off the system for free for life. There are too many victims who need justice and too many people acting without conscience.

While we admit that our justice system is not perfect and needs fixing, we can only come together to support the one area we agree on, the Death Penalty.

Having read the language some use and the way the death of a human being is celebrated, it is really hard for some ones to to believe that.

That is a language, for instance one should never allow ones own children to use. or use in front of them.

I have a forum on my own with a kids thread and will never tolerate such a language or make contents accessible to them, which would cause them nightmares.

I think children need more to raise up in a stable and loving surrounding, than to be shown the consequences of their doings.

Being handed from day care to day school or boarding school and not raised in a family is rather worse in nowadays society, than showing them consequences afterwards.

[Michigal]

Maiken, I agree the language in here gets a little extreme at times but you have to consider a couple facts:

#1. There are many victims here who are screaming for justice. If someone murdered your family in cold blood and left you shattered I am sure you would tend to be a bit over emotional about that monster, especially when they had an army of people afterwards threatening you and harassing you only for wanting justice. You would be victimized enough and wouldn't deserve the heartless treatment from so many defending the criminal.

#2. This is an area for people who are victims or just SUPPORT the Death Penalty. If you come into here and start arguing with everyone, especially the victims, how can you possibly expect people not to get upset and offended? It is not like you are discussing the weather or who you think the best football team is. People have all of their emotions tied into some of these cases and come here for support from one another. This is NOT a neutral site, or an anti site, or a "save the murderers" site.

Please forgive me for saying this but some of your comments on this site have been rather inconsiderate since you are making them to the victims. You do not throw a keg party for a sober alcoholic, you do not drive drunk to a MAD meeting, you do not beat up on little old ladies and you do NOT come in here and defend criminals to the victims without expecting a strongly negative emotional response.

Please remember this the next time you post or find another forum that is better suited to your ideas of defending the murderers.