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Offline Elric of Melnibone

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2011, 11:21:42 AM »
Troll.
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2011, 11:54:30 AM »

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2011, 12:20:28 PM »
Your user name there, who you are on that site.  I believe that you are the trog of the month, sent from PTO to cause chaos and disorder here.  Usually, most trogs run off with their ass on fire.
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2011, 12:23:01 PM »
Well thats my real first name, so what.

Maiken is really a name which comes from little Maria and that comes from the hebrew name Miriam.

And what is a trog?

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2011, 12:27:39 PM »
It is a dismissive name for troll.

Now, back to why the death penalty works...

I do not see any executed inmate commiting jaywalking, much less another case of murder. 
I am still waiting for the list of "innocents" that you are claiming were executed...BTW, please attach proof, not a lot of webpages from inmates.
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2011, 12:49:19 PM »
It is a dismissive name for troll.

Now, back to why the death penalty works...

I do not see any executed inmate commiting jaywalking, much less another case of murder. 
I am still waiting for the list of "innocents" that you are claiming were executed...BTW, please attach proof, not a lot of webpages from inmates.


None of my webpages are from inmates as far as I can remember.

Well, the usual names: Todd Willingham, Peter Cantu...most famous I think were Sacco and Vancetti.

In Germany we had a very horrible case, where a farmers family were accused of having killed the farmer and fed him to the pigs, so that he had vanished without a trace. They got all a life long sentence. In USA it would have been DP.

Years later they found the dead farmer in his car in the river Isar. It turned out that he had committed suicide.

Why that family had lied, no one really understands. Perhaps it was the high pressure they were under.

But anyway, it is sometimes very hard to find the truth, specially when such horrible things have happened.  DP is irrevocable, thats also a problem.

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2011, 01:48:08 PM »
Sacco and Vanzetti were pre-1976, after the Death Penalty was reinstated. 

Where is the proof for cantu and willingham.???  I have yet to see it.
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2011, 02:10:03 PM »
Besides the fact that there was a ballistics match, an anarchist leader who arranged for their legal defense, admitted that Sacco and Vanzetti were guilty.   ;D

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2011, 02:29:12 PM »
Your user name there, who you are on that site.  I believe that you are the trog of the month, sent from PTO to cause chaos and disorder here.  Usually, most trogs run off with their ass on fire.


I won't use her last name since she didn't use it here, but if you google her first name you will see that she is a big scumpal.

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2011, 02:37:02 PM »
TY Greg...She best be wearing asbestos big girl panties 'cause they are getting ready to get burned.
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2011, 02:51:55 PM »
Not only is she our pal Skinner's scumpal, her other one is this ahole:

Charges Filed in Slaying at HomeBase

Courts: Daniel Carl Frederickson is accused of murder and attempted robbery in the shooting at the store. He could face the death penalty.


June 19, 1996|ANNA CEKOLA | TIMES STAFF WRITER

SANTA ANA A parolee charged in the point-blank gunshot slaying of a HomeBase store manager hid his face under a file folder Tuesday as he appeared in court on charges that carry a possible death sentence.

Prosecutors are still deciding whether to seek the death penalty against Daniel Carl Frederickson, a 33-year-old unemployed Garden Grove man with a 15-year history of felony convictions.

Frederickson was charged Monday with murder and attempted robbery in the slaying last week of Scott H. Wilson, 30, of Costa Mesa. The charges also carry a special-circumstance allegation that the murder occurred during the commission of a robbery, meaning the defendant could face a death sentence if convicted.

Deputy Dist. Atty. Jim Tanizaki declined to comment on details of the case.

The public defender's office was appointed Tuesday to represent Frederickson, who was ordered back to Municipal Court in Santa Ana on July 12 to enter a plea to the murder charges.

The victim's brother said he hopes prosecutors seek the death penalty. "Actually, I would like worse than the death penalty," Kirk Wilson, 40, said Tuesday outside the courtroom. "Unfortunately, that's all I can get."

Kirk Wilson said his brother never would have struggled with a robber, and said he was disappointed he couldn't see the face of the accused killer. Municipal Judge Donna L. Crandall, citing the ongoing investigation, ordered that the defendant's face be shielded from press photographers.

"My brother was very intelligent," Kirk Wilson said. "He had dreams, he had goals for his life, unlike this man who is so pitiful that his dream for his life is to sit in his cell and read science fiction books."

Scott Wilson, an aspiring television producer who was set to attend Orange Coast College this fall, was shot as he walked with $50 in change from the safe in the front of the Santa Ana store toward a cashier.

Police allege Frederickson had been wandering through the Santa Ana store June 13 for at least 30 minutes before he shot Wilson, a customer service manager who had recently transferred to the Bristol Marketplace store from Vista, where he had worked since 1993.

The assailant apparently was trying to rob Wilson of the $50 he was holding, police said.

Funeral services are today at 3 p.m. for Scott Wilson at Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa, 3800 S. Fairview Road, Santa Ana.

Frederickson, most recently convicted in 1991 for stabbing a man over a $50 debt, is being held without bail.

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2011, 02:56:56 PM »
Store Manager's Killer Sentenced to Death

Courts: Daniel Frederickson said he planned HomeBase robbery as a way to go back to prison. Victim's brother vows to witness execution.


January 10, 1998|GREG HERNANDEZ | TIMES STAFF WRITER

SANTA ANA Declaring that the man who fatally shot his brother is "just bad," 41-year-old Kirk Wilson said Friday that he has every intention of being there the day Daniel Carl Frederickson is executed.

"It won't be over until I go to San Quentin," the brother of murder victim Scott Wilson said after Frederickson was sentenced to die by a Superior Court judge. "I want to press the button if they'll let me."

Moments earlier, Judge William R. Froeberg had asked Frederickson to stand as Froeberg imposed the sentence, making the 34-year-old man the first Orange County defendant to be condemned to die in 1998.

Froeberg's decision came one month after a jury had recommended death for Frederickson. The same panel had convicted him of killing Wilson, 30, of Costa Mesa, during a foiled robbery at a HomeBase store in Santa Ana. The victim, who managed the store, had refused to hand over cash during the robbery. Frederickson got angry and shot him in the temple.

Citing Frederickson's lengthy criminal record, Deputy Dist. Atty. Jim Tanizaki said a death sentence is "a lifetime achievement award" for the murderer, who said he had initially planned the robbery as a way to be returned to prison.

"He's been in prison for most of his adult life because of his past felony conduct," the prosecutor said. "This [murder] is another in a series of acts, and he never learned his lesson. He wanted to go back to prison, and he is going back--but not on his terms, on justice's terms."

For a death penalty case, Frederickson's was unusual because he acted as his own attorney. He had represented himself in previous cases and had been convicted four times in the past 15 years of a variety of felonies including burglary, robbery and assault with a deadly weapon.

Frederickson wore a suit and tie during the trial, but he reluctantly appeared for sentencing Friday handcuffed and wearing a jail jumpsuit.

"I feel that my creativity and the decorum of this courtroom is diminished by having me appear in restraints and a jail outfit," Frederickson said to the judge, who denied his request to change clothes.

During the penalty phase of his trial, Frederickson pleaded with jurors to recommend that he receive the death penalty. But during his closing arguments last month, he backed away from that. He argued instead that mental problems have plagued him since childhood and blamed the murder on his "explosive personality disorder."

The jury rejected the argument and found that he was sane when he pulled the trigger.

On Friday, one of the jurors, Diana Derry of Garden Grove, showed up for the sentencing "because I think he deserves not to live," she said.

"It wasn't hard to make a decision, and I wanted to see it finished," she said.

Because Frederickson represented himself during the trial, Derry said, jurors got to know him more than they anticipated they would. She found him to be "egotistical, arrogant but intelligent and very articulate."

Still, she said, his decision to represent himself "hurt him big-time. He was claiming insanity, but he wanted to make his own defense. That was ridiculous from the start."

Kirk Wilson said that if Frederickson had received the lesser penalty of life in prison without parole, he essentially would have been rewarded for murdering his brother.

"He was cavalier about the whole incident of murdering my brother," he said. "At no point during the trial did he show remorse."

Wilson said his brother had been planning a career in sports television production and had gotten himself together in the last four years of his life after being directionless for some time.

He said his brother's murder represented yet another family tragedy. One older brother died in an auto accident, and another died of a drug overdose.

"I'm the only one left," he said.

Wilson said in court that he had been holding his brother's hand when he was pronounced dead in the hospital.

"The only thing that will be justice for my family is when I can stand in a room and [Frederickson] is pronounced dead," he said.

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2011, 03:12:23 PM »
We know skinner is a lowlife but this guy is worse...killed a man for $50.00 dollars and whines that he has to be in a jail jumpsuit and cuffed when they give him his death sentence which he richly deserves...Wonder how they are going to argue that his lawyer did a bad job when he did it himself??
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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2011, 05:07:04 PM »
Has there been an inmate executed that was wrongly convicted? Just asking.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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Re: Why death penalty...pro and contra
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2011, 05:20:10 PM »
Only one I can think of is rodger keith coleman...I mean, he insisted he was innocent.  But the DNA did him in.  Think that might be maiken's lost lamb? 8)
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