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Gregg Fisher

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Re: Sodium thiopental
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2011, 09:27:59 AM »
It took years for California to get their protocol approved. It was all nonsense. I think all they did is add that the warden will lightly caress the condemned's cheek and whisper: poor little bunny!  And after getting it all done, some regulatory bureaucrat still tried to nix it.

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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2011, 10:09:57 AM »
Just give the POS an IV with the 100CC's of of pure smack.  Out of the blue, into the black.

There are tons of it in police lockers and we would NEVER run out of the product... :-*
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Re: Sodium thiopental
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2011, 03:47:41 AM »
How difficult would it be for the states to switch to pentobarbital as the first course?  Oklahoma got it past the Supremes and offed Duty, Alverson and Matthews without a hitch.

Again, it depends upon each state's laws and administrative rules. In the states which do not specify the drugs to be used, the switch should be quite easy. In the states in which the protocol or statute require a certain drug or drugs be used in an execution, then the switch could be much more time consuming for the reasons alluded to earlier.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2011, 07:04:09 AM »
Per our discussion yesterday:  "Shelly Burgess, a spokeswoman for the F.D.A., said that imported drugs must go through an approval process before being used in the United States, but added that executions are “clearly not under our purview or authority.”  http://goo.gl/mDHts

Again, if you are interested in this issue, I suggest you read the posts on C&J for additional information and updates.

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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2011, 03:53:45 PM »
Looks like we won a small victory:

"The Ninth Circuit today rejected the attack on Arizona's lethal injection protocol in Dickens v. Brewer, No. 09-16539.  The panel was Judges Hug, Nelson, and McKeown, a relatively prisoner-friendly panel, even for the Ninth. 

First, the Ninth correctly finds that Chief Justice Roberts' plurality opinion in Baze is the controlling one under the Marks rule.

Baze creates a safe harbor for lethal injection protocols that are substantially similar to Kentucky's protocol; the plurality states that such protocols do not create a substantial risk of serious harm. Id. at 61. Arizona's Protocol falls within this safe harbor--it incorporates even more safeguards against maladministration than Kentucky's protocol . . . .

That is also true in California.  So what's left to argue?  Dickens argues about risk that Arizona will not actually follow its protocol, citing incidents before the protocol's adoption.  The court is not convinced.

And, no, the availability of a one-drug protocol, even if superior, does not make the three-drug protocol unconstitutional."

http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/crimblog/2011/02/lethal-injection-developments.html


Now, of course, this is separate from the phony administrative delays antis can and are creating.

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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2011, 11:02:07 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2011, 02:02:29 PM »
Replacement Execution Drug Ample, But Has Issues
By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press | (AP)
Published: March 02, 2011

ATLANTA (AP) On paper, the drug that states are increasingly counting on to replace a sedative used in executions shares several drawbacks with the one that's no longer readily available.

Both were intended for other uses. Each was or is made by only one company in the U.S. And the substitute drug will have to run the same legal gauntlet that the first drug survived.

There is one key difference, however: Experts say there is plenty of the replacement, pentobarbital, and it's not likely the manufacturer will abruptly halt production and touch off the kind of supply crisis that struck the first drug's maker.

There already was a shortage of sodium thiopental before its manufacturer, Hospira Inc., said in January it would no longer make the drug, sending most of the 35 death penalty states scrambling for an alternative. The Lake Forest, Ill.-based company quit production when lawmakers in Italy, home of the company's new factory, demanded assurances that the substance would not be used in executions.

Lundbeck Inc., which makes pentobarbital, is based in Denmark another European country that opposes the death penalty.

However, Lundbeck and outside experts said there is no shortage in sight. And independent data collected by a health firm showed the drug's sales have steadily increased since 2005.

A shortage doesn't appear to be on the horizon, though it could arise without warning, said Dr. David Varlotta, a Tampa, Fla., anesthesiologist who sits on the board of the American Society of Anesthesiologists. That could throw the capital punishment calendar in the U.S. off schedule all over again.

"The shortages come up so rapidly, we don't have time to prepare," he said, noting that his hospital is facing shortfalls of key anesthetics because of the volatility of the supply chain.

Using pentobarbital for lethal injections also raises medical questions, since it has only been used in a few executions and rarely is used in humans. Varlotta, for one, said he has not used pentobarbital since 1986.

"If departments of corrections are moving toward pentobarbital, they're moving away from the expertise of anesthesiologists," said Varlotta, who was appointed in 2007 to study Florida's lethal injection procedure after a botched execution there.

Others say there's no reason to fear a switch. Mark Dershwitz, a University of Massachusetts anesthesiologist, said pentobarbital could be readily adopted by states as long as the supply holds up. The biggest difference between the two drugs, he said, is that pentobarbital knocks out patients longer.

"And no one can say that's a disadvantage when used in an execution," he said.

The shortage of sodium thiopental which for more than 30 years has been the first of a three-drug cocktail used by dozens of states had corrections departments across the country delaying executions and looking to overseas manufacturers not approved by federal regulators. Officials had hoped the more potent pentobarbital would ease the crisis.

Oklahoma adopted pentobarbital last year as part of its three-drug combination. As the shortage of sodium thiopental grew worse, Ohio announced it would use it alone to put inmates to death. And an Associated Press review revealed every state but South Carolina said it is considering switching to alternatives, which is only likely to intensify scrutiny of pentobarbital.

Sally Benjamin Young, a spokeswoman for Lundbeck's U.S. subsidiary that makes pentobarbital, would not disclose how much pentobarbital the company manufactures in the U.S. each year. But she said the company has had no supply problems thus far and did not expect future supply issues.

However, using the drug for executions is not what the company intended and "goes against everything we're in business to do," she said.

The drug was originally introduced to market in 1973 and Lundbeck acquired the product rights in 2003, Young said. The company, whose U.S. headquarters are a few miles from Hospira's in Deerfield, Ill., has been making the drug in the same Kansas facility since 2007, and Young said Lundbeck has no plans to move the product to another factory.

Sales of pentobarbital grew by 16 percent between 2009 and 2010, according to IMS Health. The independent firm said some $25.5 million worth of the drug, brand name Nembutal, was sold in 2010 more than double the $10.1 million sold in 2006.

Lundbeck said it has no way of keeping the drug out of death chambers. And it's unlikely the Danish government can step in as Italian authorities did, said Maya Foa, an investigator with London-based civil rights group Reprieve, which opposes the death penalty. Regulators could be hamstrung because the company's manufacturing plant is in the U.S., she said.

"There's not a lot they can do about it," said Foa, who is visiting Denmark this week to meet with local officials. "They say once they sell a product, they have no control over how it's used."

Pentobarbital likely will have to pass legal muster in U.S. courts. As they did with sodium thiopental, inmates have begun to argue that the drug does not adequately sedate the condemned, leading to a painful death that violates the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The U.S. Supreme Court ultimately ruled that sodium thiopental was constitutional.

I like the way this guy Mark Dershwitz thinks.
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Re: Sodium thiopental
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2011, 11:49:54 AM »
Hospira's Web Notice Discontinuing Execution Drug Has Global Implications - But Will Executions Stop? No: Meet Besse Medical of Ohio  by Terry Lenamon / Reba Kennedy
 
On January 21, 2011, via its website, Illinois drug manufacturer Hospira, Inc. fired a shot heard 'round the world as it announced in a short and sweet press release that it would no longer be making sodium thiopental (product name, Pentothal™).

What happens to state executions schedules now? 

When Hospira announced a delay, some states just stayed their execution schedules.  Others tried to move forward with alternatives.  For example:

1. Ohio went for a single-drug lethal injection method. 
2. Oklahoma substituted pentobarbital in their three-drug cocktail, the same drug that is used to euthanize dogs and cats.
3. Arizona went overseas to buy more product.

Florida, and other states, could follow any one of these three examples.  Or, as the Miami Herald points out, Florida can always return to another form of execution that is still legally viable: the electric chair.

Other forms of execution that are still legal alternatives include the firing squad; hanging; and the gas chamber.

Global Response: Try to Use Marketplace to Halt American Death Penalty

Yesterday, Germany announced it will not allow the export of sodium thiopental to the United States.  Since Arizona's supplier was from Great Britian, Germany's announcement does not carry that much power in the market.

Meanwhile, Texas reveals it has a domestic supplier - Ohio's Besse Medical.

It took the Associated Press using the Open Records Act to gain access to this information, but it has been revealed that Texas has a source of execution drugs here in the United States (although Texas worked hard to keep this information to itself).

Besse Medical is a domestic supplier of sodium thiopental.  Now.

So, while Hospira's press release  may be getting lots of attention, it's not the biggest news.  Besse Medical is just stepping into the gap, and apparently has been doing so for awhile now.

Good Old Texas...I knew they had an ace up their sleeve!  They just order a new batch and it's lights out - Cleve Foster you're next!
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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2011, 04:10:46 PM »
Pardoning my French but hot damn, I knew that Texas would not be bullied by another country, or corporation. I am so proud right now lol.
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Re: Sodium thiopental
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2011, 04:31:20 PM »
I'm glad the liberals who thought this would do away with executions because the look on their faces when this blows up in their face will be priceless  :D
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2011, 05:55:51 AM »
Meanwhile, Texas reveals it has a domestic supplier - Ohio's Besse Medical.

But is that just a supplier or do they manufacture the drugs. If they were just a supplier than they received the drug from the manufacturers overseas and while they may be selling current stock to TX, once they run out they will not be able to order more.

With the state of the current economy I think it would be a good idea for someone to open a pharmaceutical manufacturing plant just for this one drug. It could be small as it would specialize in Sodium Thiopental but it would create jobs and you know there would be buyers...  :)
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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2011, 07:12:04 AM »
One of the biggest bastards on Texas Death Row is trying to save his a**.

http://minutesbeforesix.blogspot.com/2011/02/besse-medical-and-hippocratic-oath.html

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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2011, 07:22:06 AM »
bah, give it a few weeks and they will be able to buy it from walmart.
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2011, 08:11:57 AM »
Ol'bart whining about the death penalty he so very richly deserves.  The POS killed his younger brother and his mother.  I will be glad when he gets a date...
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2011, 06:38:16 PM »
were a big enough state we could probably Pay a in state drug company to make it if it comes down to that, Texas wont be bullied and we will not quit doing what we think is right because, Italy gets there painties in a twist.
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