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Offline Mirrrr

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Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« on: January 17, 2011, 02:13:54 PM »
I'm Miriam. 28 years old from Holland. All though my father got killed 25 years ago and it totally ripped my family apart i am against the dp. But the person who killed my father has been send to prison for 10 years.
In Holland 1 year means 9 months and with good behaviour he has been in prison for 7 years.  So yes in my opinion that's way to short.

But that I'm against the DP doesn't mean i can't understand that people are pro. I have been reading GrannyD her story and it really broke my heart.

On the other hand, I have been reading for a while (I registered but got refused  :) ) and others people stories did showed me some ways to deal with things I still struggle with.

Well this is my story in short.

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 02:17:45 PM »
Welcome to the site Miriam. We have members who are against the death penalty like yourself and we have a lot of respect for them, Lady and Henrik come to mind.  Anyway, make yourself comfortable and if I can ever be of assistance please let me know.

I'm glad you're here.

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 02:20:22 PM »
I saw that. That made me register.

And thank you :)
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 02:22:18 PM »
Hello Miriam :)


First, I want to tell you that I am sorry for your father :-[ A murder is always a great tragedy :'(

Welcome to this site/forum :-*

Here, we respect the opinions from anti death penalty people :)

Feel free to discuss with us :-*




Anne (a neighbour ;) )
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2011, 04:27:20 PM »
Welcome Miriam.  I agree, 7 years is not enough for depriving another human their life.  I detect no bitterness from you in your brief post.  Good for you, lady.  I respect your point of view and we do not try to change others to our way of thinking.  Welcome to the site, and may we all learn from each other! :-*

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 04:40:40 PM »
Thank you  :-*

The bitterness is sometimes still there but I know my father enjoyed life and enjoyed every second of it. And the best way to honour my father to enjoy life and make the best out of it. It controlled my life for so many years. Questions that never would be answered.  I still miss my father but I cant let it ruin my life fully.
I only have one picture of him. But a few days ago I googled his name. To see if i could find anything. And I found a picture of him in they yearbook of his soccerclub when they became champion.

That really made me so happy.
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 05:56:43 PM »
Welcome to the forum. You will find many people who have had loved ones murdered and everyone deals with their loss differently.  Like your views on how to live your life after an unspeakable tragedy.  I'm pro DP and I look forward to your posts.

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 06:16:19 PM »
Welcome!
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 08:13:46 PM »
Welcome to the site. Though I am pro DP, I respect your views. Enjoy your stay  :-*
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 08:31:16 PM »
Welcome to the site. Though I am pro DP, I respect your views. Enjoy your stay  :-*

Thank you :-* I feel really welcome
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 04:09:43 PM »
Welcome to the site Mirrrr, I look forward to your posts.

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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 04:33:46 AM »
Hey Miriam, it's great to see you here.

I am so sorry for your loss, and it sounds as though your country does not value human life much.  I come from the UK and we have a very similar sentencing structure which makes people angry and confused.

Your opinions are always welcome here, and I hope you stick around  :-*
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2011, 04:48:38 AM »
Welcome Miriam. My ward was raped and murdered in France and after just a few years the perpetrator is in Paris living off my taxes, free as a bird. I was anti DP until this but I must say I am 100% pro DP now although I feel the punishment should happen much faster than it does in the US
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 02:18:28 AM »
I am sorry i haven't posted anymore. I still always have read everything on the forum. But because i have read so much i was struggling with myself for a while.

It's weird to be strongly against something but still feel that a lot of people here deserve their justice all though it's not my justice.

Gives me a lot of mixed feelings and I didn't really knew how to cope with that.
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Re: Hellow I shall first introduce myself
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2011, 04:00:19 AM »
Hello and Welcome Mirrrr,  :-*
I admit I used to feel quite mixed about the DP myself until I started to think about it this way...

#1. If you are renting an apartment and break the rules of your contract, they have the right to evict you.
#2. If you are in school and break the rules of the school, they have the right to expel you.
#3. If you are at your job and break the rules, they have the right to fire you.
#4. If you are enter another country and break the rules they have the right to deport you.

Well, no single person owns this planet or the people on it. We are one great society and for any society to succeed we need to follow certain moral rules. We need to let others live their own lives as we wish to live ours. If someone is breaking those rules in such an extreme way that they are denying others their right to life and threatening to unbalance that society for others, than we have the right to evict/expel/fire or deport them from our society. They have lost the right to live on this planet with us. Thinking of it this way, the form of execution would be blasting the offenders off into space but the courts will never agree to that.
I know it sounds extreme but we have so many repeat offenders who we pay thousands and thousands of dollars for their room, board, medical, upkeep, air conditioning, television, education... every year and after they are realeased, they kill again and don't care if they go back to jail, how is this justice? It is not justice for the victims or the taxpayers who have enough trouble supporting their own families much less paying outrageous taxes to support horrendous criminals.

That is simply my opinion and I hope I have not offended you, I only offer it to you as an alternative way of thinking of the DP which made it easier for me to accept as the appropriate sentence for monsters. I do have faith in the justice system and the fact that most states require a jury to decide if the DP is appropriate. As no case is black or white, no DP sentence guidelines are. It takes actual people to hear the circumstances and decide if the criminal has lost his right to life or not and than usually a judge to hear that recommendation.

I welcome you to the forums and look forward to your posts.  :-*
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