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on: January 04, 2013, 09:16:04 AM 31 Across the Globe / World Crime Related News / Re: Australia Warns America: Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!

And from George Stepahnopolis the liberal media's lying mouthpiece.

Dec 20, 2012 3:58pm

Strict Gun Control – Fewer Shootings in Australia, Japan and the UK; Would It Work in US?

Six days after the tragic shooting in Newtown and one day after President Obama announced a gun control task force, hundreds of you wrote in asking about future legislation and the consequences of this new task force.

Pam Ramagano tweeted asking “What can the president really do? Doesn’t he need the approval of Congress to do anything?”

Kevin Boutelle wondered “What about the support that is so desperately needed for the mentally insane?…Those that would still do harm to others regardless of the weapon they wield? Where is that “task force”?”

And @ViPearson asked “Do you think that the media is partly responsible for the violence…?”

Excellent questions, and here are the answers:

Keep the questions coming via Twitter and Facebook. I’ll see you tomorrow on GMA and Sunday on This Week.
SHOWS: Good Morning America This Week

Strict Gun Control Laws in South Korea

Grover Norquist: Obama and Democrats Using Newtown for ‘Political Purposes’
Obama Golfing in Hawaii With Pal Arrested in Prostitution Sting
Asa Hutchinson: Gun Control Not Part of ‘Ultimate Solution’ to Gun Violence
The Note’s Must-Reads for Monday, December 31, 2012
Record Gun Sales in December, 2012

on: January 04, 2013, 09:06:55 AM 32 Across the Globe / World Crime Related News / Re: Australia Warns America: Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!

What Happens When Citizens Guns Are Taken Away
From Ed Chenel
Australian Police Officer
Hi Yanks and Canadians - I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.  It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:   Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent,   Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;   Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!   In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! (And criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns.  You won't see this on the American /Canadian evening news or hear your government or members of the State Assembly amd Ottawa parliament disseminating this information.
The Australian experience proves it.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding public.
Take note Americans and Canadians before it's too late!

on: January 04, 2013, 08:59:08 AM 33 Across the Globe / World Crime Related News / Australia Warns America: Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!

Australia Warns America: Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!
Posted on: August 20th, 2012

Government officials and citizens in Australia speak out to warn America “Don’t Let Them Take Your Guns!” According to reports when the Gun Ban went into effect in Australia the crime rate spiraled out of control. The police officers are overwhelmed and are unable to protect the citizens due to so much crime.
When the forced gun ban (buy back program) went into effect law abiding citizens had to turn in their semi automatic firearms, pump action rifles, and shotguns or face going to jail. Six hundred forty thousand conventional firearms were taken out of the hands of law abiding citizens, confiscated and destroyed. Law abiding citizens followed the law and turned in their weapons. Citizens were promised safety in return for turning in their guns. Does any of this sound familiar, like UN Gun Treaty perhaps?

on: January 04, 2013, 08:46:42 AM 34 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAM AND GRANNY!!

I love it when you flatter me. :-* :-*  Keep it up.  Please ;D

on: January 03, 2013, 07:05:20 PM 35 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Re: HAPPY BIRTHDAY PAM AND GRANNY!!

Don't know about Pam's, but mine was one of the best ever.   :-* Thanks to all. Pam's 23rd. Mine was 24th.

on: January 01, 2013, 04:10:40 PM 36 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Re: how much longer can a person get away with murder?


I know it does not look like right now, but things will eventually get to be a little better.  It takes time.  I just hope that you have a good support system.  I am fortunate to have a family who supports us in our down times.  But now we have a website full of people who will support you in your down times too.  They are here for you if you just let them help with you with their words of encouragement.  Unfortunately, there is not much more we can do than that, unless some of us live near you and could be there for you.  But most of us are not.  So let us be here for you on the site. :-* :-*

Best to you

Granny B

on: December 31, 2012, 08:51:35 PM 37 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Re: Happy New Year

Happy new year to all.  Hope 2013 is a great year door everyone. At least we all dodged another doom and gloom apocalypse.   ;D

on: December 22, 2012, 10:45:09 AM 38 General Death Penalty / Executed Offenders (Graveyard) / Re: John Errol Ferguson - FL - 10/16/12- Reinstated to 8/5/13

Florida Tries to Execute the 'Prince of God'

Turbo, I think I will go ahead and post this article.  Sometimes when you try to go back to them, they get moved or archived.

Andrew Cohen   - Andrew Cohen is a contributing editor at The Atlantic and legal analyst for 60 Minutes. He is also chief analyst and legal editor for CBS Radio News and has won a Murrow Award as one of the nation's leading legal analysts and commentators. More

Florida Tries to Execute the 'Prince of God'

By Andrew Cohen

Nov 29 2012, 3:42 PM ET 6

State officials say John Ferguson is faking his mental illness. The law says the state can't execute an incompetent man. Something's gotta give.

Florida Governor Rick Scott (Joe Skipper/Reuters)

Florida Governor Rick Scott wanted, finally, to get rid of John Ferguson, but he wanted to appear fair in doing so. The convicted multiple murderer had been on the Sunshine State's death row for decades -- for 34 years, for a generation -- but questions lingered about his mental competency. As far back as 1971, in fact, six years before Ferguson first killed, the state's own psychiatrists had diagnosed him as suffering from "a major mental disorder" that rendered him "psychotic and incompetent." Forty years later, he was hardly better.

So after Governor Scott set Ferguson's execution date for October 16th, and defense attorneys duly alerted officials to their client's diminished mental state, the governor appointed three psychiatrists to a "commission" to evaluate Ferguson, to determine whether he was sane enough to be lawfully executed by the state. The psychiatrists, who had never before seen or treated Ferguson, were ordered to move quickly -- to examine the prisoner on October 1st and issue their report on October 2nd. Here's how the defense describes what happened next:

    The Commission did even better: It managed to send a terse one-and-a-half page report to the Governor by 4:00 p.m. the same day it evaluated Ferguson. Of course, that sort of efficiency was accomplished thanks only to some short cuts. For instance, even though Ferguson's mental-health records span thousands of pages of paper, the Commission evaluated only a subset of them -- hand-picked by the State's lawyers. Notably absent from those records were any of the pre-1978 diagnoses from State psychiatrists consistently documenting Ferguson's paralyzing psychosis.

    That said, the Commission still had to make their way through two file boxes of medical records -- a task it knocked off with stunning efficiency, taking a mere 90 minutes to complete. Needless to say, that feat came with its own cut corners. As the Commission's Chair later conceded on cross-examination, he did not review all of the records provided.

    The Commission took the same fleet approach to examining Ferguson, meeting with him for just under 90 minutes. During that interview, Ferguson demonstrated no rational understanding of why the State was seeking to kill him or what would happen to him. For instance, he told the Commission -- consistent with what he has told psychiatrists for 40 years--that he is the Prince of God. He also told them that he would "come back to life," that his body would not remain in his grave, and that he was destined to be the "only one" at the right hand of God.

    Ferguson also reported to the Commission a long history of other delusions and hallucinations -- including current delusions and hallucinations. Among them, Ferguson explained that he heard God whisper to him (through his set of "inner ears") plans for fulfilling his destiny as the Prince of God; that he communicated with his long-dead father, who has vowed to protect him from death or harm; that he believes the State lacks the power to kill him; that he sees "shadow people" who watch him; that he is convinced there are communist plots that he will "drive away" after he assumes his seat at the right hand of God. [Citations omitted by me.]

You likely already know what happened next. What happened next is what frequently happens in these capital cases -- when state officials, acting in frustration and anger, decide they have offered all of the due process and equal protection protections they want to offer a condemned man. When the search for the truth of a matter -- like whether a man who believes he is the Prince of God is sane enough to be executed -- becomes a burden, the state no longer wishes to bear honorably. The defense again picks up the story:

    The Commission, however, saw nothing amiss. To be sure, it conceded in the final paragraph of its report that Ferguson had indeed exhibited psychotic symptoms. But the Commission dismissed them out of hand. In its view, Ferguson "feign[ed] religious delusion thinking" and "feigned other psychotic symptoms." The Commission, however, never administered a single test for feigning--even though some of the Commissioners had brought testing equipment with them for precisely that purpose.

    Having written off all of Ferguson's psychoses as "feigned," the Commission concluded that Ferguson "(1) has no genuine current mental illness; and (2) understands the nature and effect of the death penalty and why it was imposed on him." The Commission's members would later concede that they reached this conclusion after a "short discussion" immediately following the interview, [a discussion] which lasted approximately five to ten minutes. As the Circuit Court would later find, the Commission "did not complete a thorough and exhaustive interview of Ferguson." (citations omitted by me).

The Florida Courts: Sane Enough to Be Executed

That's the same "circuit court," by the way, that quickly authorized Florida to proceed with the Ferguson execution -- despite its concern over the commission's work, and despite finding that Ferguson was a "paranoid schizophrenic" who harbored "genuine" delusions. On appeal, the Florida Supreme Court agreed, concluding that despite Ferguson's severe mental illness, he was sane enough to be executed because he was aware of the punishment he was about to receive and why he was about to receive it.

    "Ferguson's only comments in the record regarding his burial -- comments made directly to the Commission -- are that after his body is buried 'just like Jesus, you'll come and look and you won't find me there.'"

Ferguson had passed the last test of his life, the state supreme court ruled, because he was "aware that he has never before had a death warrant signed on his behalf" and "that he would be the first person to receive Florida's current protocol of medications for lethal injections." So a new execution date was set for October 23rd and the days leading up to it were marked by a flurry of court filings and responses, all surrounding the extent of Ferguson's competency, the applicable legal standard for evaluating it, and the degree of deference due to Florida's courts.

On the 20th, three days before Ferguson was to be executed, a federal trial judge halted the proceedings. He had questions, he wrote, about whether Florida's courts had properly applied the United States Supreme Court's new standard for determining when a capital inmate is not competent enough to be executed. Ferguson then asked the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to stay his execution, which it did just minutes before he was set to die. When Florida appealed that ruling to Washington, the justices refused to intervene. John Ferguson was going to get another day in court after all.

The Federal Courts: The "Meaning and Purpose" of Punishment

That day has come. On Thursday afternoon, a panel of three 11th Circuit judges will convene to determine Ferguson's fate. The federal judges will preside over a conference call -- an oral argument Florida argued wasn't even necessary. "The decisional process will not be significantly aided by oral argument," Florida's lawyers wrote, and, "further, since this is a death case, upon which execution of sentence was recently stayed at, literally, the eleventh hour, any delay for the sake of oral argument would be particularly inappropriate."

For once, Florida may have a point. The appeals panel doesn't have a complicated job ahead. The judges have to determine whether the Florida courts followed both the letter and the spirit of the U.S. Supreme Court precedent set out in a 2007 case styled Panetti v. Quarterman. In Panetti, the justices held 6-3 that a state had to give a condemned prisoner a meaningful competency hearing which considered more than just the inmate's awareness of his crime and the punishment he would receive for it. For the majority, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote:

    Gross delusions stemming from a severe mental disorder may put an awareness of a link between a crime and its punishment in a context so far removed from reality that the punishment can serve no proper purpose. It is therefore error to derive from Ford, and the substantive standard for incompetency its opinions broadly identify, a strict test for competency that treats delusional beliefs as irrelevant once the prisoner is aware the State has identified the link between his crime and the punishment to be inflicted.

Florida's Argument

Florida's latest brief in this case is striking for the righteous anger it exudes. The state argues that the Florida courts which reviewed Ferguson's case applied the correct legal standard Justice Kennedy announced in the Panetti case, a standard that doesn't necessarily extend to cases like this one anyway. "The Florida Supreme Court's decision did not state that [Ferguson's] claimed delusional belief or alleged mental illness was irrelevant to the inquiry," the state's attorneys told the 11th Circuit:

    Nor did the court not apply a bare 'factual awareness test' as argued by [Ferguson]. The court appropriately considered the very limited Prince of God belief expressed to the Commission [the only such belief specifically found credible by the circuit court below], but, noted, that Ferguson nonetheless expressed a clear and unambiguous knowledge of his impending execution and the reason why this punishment had been imposed upon him.

Florida argues, in other words, that its state court judges satisfied the Panetti test by merely considering Ferguson's delusions in the context of other factors. Those factors include, the state argued, "the complete and utter lack of observable symptoms of mental illness in a closely supervised setting of death row for more than a decade." In other words, the Panetti case may require state judges to consider as "relevant" a prisoner's delusions -- but it doesn't require state judges to declare an inmate incompetent based solely upon those delusions.

As for the work of Gov. Scott's "Commission," the psychiatrists who quickly judged Ferguson competent for execution without reviewing all of his medical records, Florida's lawyers tried to reassure the 11th Circuit that it was never really a close call. From the state's brief: "Dr. Myers explained: 'It was clear to me that there was no evidence of any significant mental illness. He was -- his thoughts and thinking were clear.'" If Ferguson had ever suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, the state's doctors testified, he wasn't suffering now.

Ferguson's Argument

To Ferguson's lawyers, these arguments -- and the ruling by the state supreme court which found their client competent enough to be executed -- are telling instances of the elevation of form over substance. They are also telling examples of state courts in capital cases willfully ignoring those Supreme Court precedents with which they don't agree. From one of the Ferguson briefs filed with the 11th Circuit:

    (Florida) "contends that the Florida Supreme Court decision was 'in accordance with Panetti because the Florida Supreme Court did not expressly state that (Ferguson's) claimed delusional belief or alleged mental illness were irrelevant to its inquiry.' True. The court never expressly declared Ferguson's delusions irrelevant. It just completely ignored them in its analysis. And that is what matters under Panetti.

Here the defense brief also is strikingly angry. For example, Ferguson's lawyers dispute Florida's representation of their client's comments about burial. The state told the 11th Circuit that Ferguson "rationally" discussed the "burial of his remains." Not so, defense lawyers claim:

    Ferguson's only comments in the record regarding his burial -- comments made directly to the Commission -- are that after his body is buried "just like Jesus, you'll come and look and you won't find me there" because he will "be on the right hand of God," after which "he'd be returned to his rightful place in the world" on "earth in a human form." And at no time when the death warrant was read to Ferguson did he "express in any way... to anyone in the room at the time... that he understood that he was going to die."

There is simply no way, the defense asserts, that Ferguson could be competent to be executed under current Supreme Court precedent so long as he continues to: 1) suffer from paranoid schizophrenia; 2) has "genuine" delusions that he is the Prince of God, and; 3) is not malingering or feigning his illness. And neither the doctors who briefly evaluated Ferguson nor the state courts which rubber-stamped the conclusions of those doctors have been able to adequately prove or explain otherwise.

A Glance Behind, and the Road Ahead

When it convenes Thursday, the 11th Circuit already will have a head start toward its answer. The judges know this case. Last month, a few days before Ferguson's execution date, in that flurry of motions, the panel was asked by Florida at one point to keep the execution on track. The 11th Circuit agreed to do so -- you could say it was against a stay for Ferguson before it was for a stay for Ferguson -- using language that offers insight into where the court may come out after Thursday's argument. From the 11th Circuit's October order:

    The Governor of Florida appointed a commission of three psychiatrists to determine whether Ferguson is competent to be executed, and the commission unanimously found that he is. A state trial court then conducted a full and fair evidentiary hearing and found Ferguson competent to be executed. The Florida Supreme Court unanimously affirmed the finding of the trial court. Ferguson has failed to identify clear and convincing evidence upon which the district court could decide that the state court unreasonably determined that Ferguson is competent to be executed.

(Here, folks, is an example of how law becomes separated from fact, how the truth of a matter gets whitewashed. Gone from this version of events is the shoddy work of those psychiatrists on the governor's commission, the ones who didn't look at all the evidence or even sleep on their conclusions. Gone is the state trial judge's concern about that commission's work. Gone also is that judge's determination that Ferguson was suffering from "paranoid schizophrenia," and from a "genuine" Prince of God delusion, and that he was not malingering.)

Reasonably recognizing that the appellate panel may already have made up its mind on Ferguson's competency, fearful that the federal judges are poised to endorse and enable Florida's latest bid to rid itself of the man, defense attorneys, in their final brief, gently urged the 11th Circuit to reconsider its perceptions about the Ferguson case, reminding the judges that their October ruling came upon them in a matter of hours, on an emergency basis, with their client's execution time looming. Now, Ferguson's lawyers say, things are different:

    This Court has the benefit of both parties' best efforts now. The parties now have briefed the merits of the habeas appeal, and Ferguson has explained at length, as he had not been in a position to before, how the Florida Supreme Court unreasonably applied [U.S. Supreme Court precedent] when it found Ferguson competent to be executed.

    This Court can and should review the parties' thorough briefing and take the time it needs to conduct a searching review of Ferguson's claims. It is not tethered to its earlier determination, nor to the Supreme Court's denial of certiorari at a different stage of this case, and the state is wrong to suggest otherwise.

What are the odds that the 11th Circuit is going to undertake that "searching review?" You tell me. Florida officials are angry that Ferguson has not yet been executed. Florida believes it has given the condemned man all the due process to which he is entitled. Florida believes that a capital defendant may be "genuinely" delusional but still understand the nature of capital punishment. Justice Kennedy may end up being the only man left in America who is both able and willing to tell the state why it's wrong.


Another anti dp rant.  Personally, I think if they are criminally insane enough to murder people, they should be given the death penalty, and it should be carried out.  Insane or not, they are still capable of murdering others and are still a threat to their caretakers and to other prisoners, witness:

"Jeffrey Dahmer was killed at the age of 34 by fellow inmate Christopher Scarver, who also fatally beat the third man on their work detail, inmate Jesse Anderson. Scarver's motive in killing the two men is not entirely clear; however, in his subsequent criminal trial he maintained that God told him to kill Dahmer and the other inmate. Scarver, already serving a life term for murder, was sentenced to additional life terms and transferred to a federal prison. "

Yet we have a political atmosphere, that allows abortions of viable babies, and has now put death panels in place for the elderly (over 70 years of age) to see that they don't suck up the resources that keep the criminally insane alive.  However the over 70 people and babies are innocent of crimes. 

How  :D ed up is that in our society?

on: December 22, 2012, 10:00:09 AM 39 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Larry Swearingen - TX - New Date of X 2/27/2013

PTO are having kittens over this innocent man, they are unreal oh dear god save us from them  :'(

We over @ pto are not having kittens. We are having full grown cats.  ;D ;D ;D

I hope they are getting the full effect of all paws and claws as they pass them!

Dear Santa,

All I want for Christmas is for PTO to shut the hell up, grow up, and go away!

Thank you for the impossible, Santa.


PS  We would also like for you to add Cathy to your list.  A heart attack or a fall down 5 flights of stairs would do it for us.  Thanks again.  You're the best.

on: December 22, 2012, 07:37:32 AM 40 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Re: Merry Christmas !!!

Wishing everyone a merry Christmas   :-*

on: December 22, 2012, 07:34:35 AM 41 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Re: I am Saskia's mother, Cat Burke-POMC/VOVC!

I'm so sorry for all the terrible things happening in your life right now.   :'( :'(

I can only offer you this hope that things will eventually get better.  It will take a while, but one day in the future you find it in you to smile and laugh again, even though it does not seem like it now. 

Meanwhile I wish you and Kessa the best during this Christmas season.  I pray you find a smile under your Christmas tree, hugs and kisses from Kessa and some peace in your wounded heart.  :-*

on: December 19, 2012, 05:43:24 AM 42 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Re: Back from over the hills and far away...

Glad to see you back. You have lot of catching up to do.  :-*

on: December 17, 2012, 11:58:32 AM 43 General Crime / U.S. Crime Related News / Re: Connecticut elementary school shooting: Multiple deaths reported

 OKC prayer service set for CT school shooting victims
Posted: 12.17.2012 at 9:23 AM

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - A prayer service is planned in Oklahoma City in memory of those killed in the Connecticut school shooting.

The service is planned for 6:30 p.m. Monday at St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral in downtown Oklahoma City. The church says the service is open to the public and that they'll pray for the victims of Friday's school shooting and their families.

Twenty children and six school employees died in Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

Meanwhile, the Oklahoma City National Memorial and Museum is offering condolences after the shooting. The museum, set up after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, has posted information on its website on how to deal with trauma and grief.

on: December 17, 2012, 11:09:31 AM 44 General Crime / U.S. Crime Related News / San Antonio elementary school on lockdown December 17, 2012

San Antonio elementary school on lockdown

Posted: Dec 17, 2012 12:25 PM CST Updated: Dec 17, 2012 12:25 PM CST
By Ashley Paredez - email

KFDA - NewsChannel 10 / Amarillo News, Weather, Sports
San Antonio, TX - An elementary school in San Antonio has now been placed on lockdown.

Cambridge Elementary School in the Alamo Heights Independent School District is on lockdown Monday after they received a threatening phone call this morning.

Officials stayed on the phone with the caller and simultaneously alerted the police.

Officials say all students are safe, but the campus remains on a precautionary lockdown while police question the caller.

No one is being allowed into the school.

Several worried parents gathered at a nearby coffee shop to wait for more information.

All other campuses within the school district in San Antonio are on modified lockdown, meaning nobody can leave or enter the schools.

on: December 17, 2012, 11:00:44 AM 45 General Death Penalty / Case Watch / Re: Arrest made in Pottawatomie County killing

Raw Video: Murder suspect Jerrod Murray talks to KOCO reporter

After watching your video, I thought I would post it here.  If this is not the most polite, and dumbest murderer I have ever seen...........I'll take a whuppin' with a wet noodle!  You can tell he is from south of the Mason Dixon line.  We have been taught to answer with sir or ma'am.

The reporter asks, "Do you have remorse for what you've done?"  His reply, "No ma'am."
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