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on: April 01, 2013, 06:31:48 AM 16 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

True, Henrik, and these twisty little details are a powerful tool for dishonest cons and their supporters to use.  The truth is usually much less complicated.  Here are Skinner's in a nutshell:

"Severe allergy to codeine."  Nope, this is simply a claim by Skinner.  It's never been affirmed by any physician and, as a matter of fact, was called "B.S." by a doctor at Skinner's first trial who testified that Skinner had no such history of any such allergy.

"Was comatose from this severe allergy."  Nope.  If you look at his ups-and-downs the night of the murders it's pretty clear his comatose condition ebbed and flowed with convenience.

"Didn't have enough strength in his hand to strangle Twila." Nope.  This opinion was given by an occupational therapist at Skinner's trial and never put forth by a doctor.

"Key witness recanted her testimony."  Nope, Skinner's ex girlfriend simply changed her story from "he threatened to kill me if I called police" to "he told me not to call police."  She was found to be not credible, anyway, by a court.

"Twila Busby was raped by her dead uncle."  Nope, the most recent DNA evidence proves she wasn't.

"The dead uncle was a violent man who stuck knives in people and stuff."  Yet there's not *one* assaultive offense on record (he did serve time for auto theft in Oklahoma).  For a crazed knife-wielding psychopath, he sure managed to get away with some heinous stuff without so much as a police report or an arrest for doing it.  Skinner, by contrast, had a criminal history for violence and assaults.

"The dead uncle's jacket, now mysteriously missing, was found at the scene proving he did it."  Nope.  Twila's mom testified the missing jacket was Twila's at trial. 

Bottom line: there is not a single claim that, on it's own, points to anything other than Skinner's guilt.

on: March 18, 2013, 05:44:52 PM 17 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

If you Google "Hank Skinner" you end up with his website, my website ( and a Wikipedia page as the top hits.  About twice a year, Sandrine (wifeaux) comes along, removes the facts from Wikipedia, and replaces it with her propaganda/gossip.  Shortly thereafter it gets reverted (fixed) by the anti's who watch the page!

You know you're fighting a losing battle when your own side edits your propaganda out!  Personally, I think there are a bunch of honest anti folks who used to have questions about Hank's guilt but have read the facts in context and think they better find a different wagon to which to hitch their horses.  Even John/J.Bennett/John.B/J.B./etc. Skeptical Juror has gone silent on Skinner.

Not good news for Hank.

on: March 15, 2013, 05:58:30 AM 18 General Death Penalty / Darlie Routier / Re: Retesting of DNA Granted in Routier Case

Great article:



The continuing antics by supporters of Darlie Routier leave more then a lot to be desired, especially when confusion of facts tumble down to blatant lies. The focus on the case has somewhat shifted of late, to the ridiculous and impossible claims by the Routier clan.

The focus now lies not on Routier herself, but more on the propaganda spread by her supporters, which does little more than highlights the clear and convincing evidence of her guilt. For the past 16 years Routier and her supporters have spewed propaganda relating to the physical evidence against this murdering mother.

One of the greatest spiels is that Routier was ’convicted on circumstantial evidence’. One of their favourite lines is ‘The prosecution’s case against Darlie Routier, presented in court in 1997, was based on circumstantial evidence. ‘

Circumstantial evidence is any other evidence where there is not an eye witness. Most cases are based on circumstantial evidence, and always have been. It is nothing new, or unusual, or sinister, as suggested by the Routier clan.

Circumstantial evidence is not just pulled from anywhere, it is not unsubstantiated evidence. Circumstantial evidence is evidence which may allow a judge or jury to deduce a certain fact from other facts which can be proven.

It is the burden of the prosecutors to show, through a set of circumstances that link, that their theory of what took place is the only logical explanation and that the circumstances can be explained by no other theory.

In some cases there are small amounts of circumstantial evidence that can not be explained easily, or do not fit together to form a pattern, or link to a lead to the perpetrator.

In Routier’s case all of the circumstantial evidence pointed to Darlie Routier, and linked together to tell the story of how a mother killed her two young sons, Devon and Damon.

Conversely, in circumstantial evidence cases, it is the job of the defence to show that the same circumstances could be explained by an alternative theory. In order to avoid a conviction, all a defence attorney has to do is put enough doubt into one juror’s mind that the prosecution’s explanation of the circumstances is flawed.

However, this did not happen in the Routier case. The defence had nothing of evidential value to put forward, because there was none. Although the defence tried to put forward the theory that an intruder had committed the murders, they had no evidence of an intruder, not one tiny piece of evidence even pointing to an intruder.

Darlie Routier helped convict herself further when she took the stand. She had written to various people from prison , telling them that she knew who the alleged ‘intruder’ was. She even named some people. Her letters were nothing more than barefaced lies, and she was caught out at trial in the lies she had written, to family members and supporters.

Routier stood in court and actually asked if it ‘was legal’ to intercept her prison post. The resounding laughter from the court reduced Routier to tears, together with the realisation that she had been caught out in her ploy to deter people from the truth of her guilt.

The prosecution proved Routier’s guilt using circumstantial evidence. That is very important, because it means there was enough evidence, that linked together to tell a story, evidence other than an eye witness, that linked Routier to the murders.

And so, although people may be sceptical when they hear ‘circumstantial evidence’ sprouted aloud by supporters, all it really means is that there was enough evidence against Routier to prove her guilt.

Sometimes people get lucky and there is not enough circumstantial evidence, or it can not be linked. In the Routier case, there was a mountain of circumstantial evidence, including physical evidence that all linked to prove her guilt.

And so Routier remains one of the unlucky ones, and remains what and where she deserves to be. A murdering mother on death row…

on: March 15, 2013, 05:44:52 AM 19 General Death Penalty / Debra Jean Milke / Re: Debra Jean Milke

I attribute this to investigative incompetence.  When you have a sole-witness detective who fails to correctly document an interview, and destroys notes he claims he took, eventually something like this is bound to happen.  Add to this the discovery of reprimands, etc., in his personnel record and you get to a point where it's difficult for a court not to overturn a conviction.

The moral is: document, document, document.  Imagine the difference if there had just been a videotape of the confession played in court--or another witness saying "yeah, that's what she said."

on: March 10, 2013, 06:55:48 AM 20 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

The second round of DNA testing has apparently been completed and the results placed into evidence.  It's important to keep in mind that there is not one piece of evidence which exonerates Skinner--never has been.  There was, however, plenty of DNA which further linked Skinner to the crime: his blood on a knife used to murder at least one of the victims, his blood all over the room where the kids were murdered, etc.  (from the first round).  The DNA testing also put to bed this nonsensical theory about Twila being raped.

The only thing that have is the stuff they don't have like "the jacket" that allows them to say "if only we had this jacket we could prove Skinner didn't commit the crime" nonsense.

So they're back to where they started: innuendo and gross distortion of the facts.

It's just that, this time, there's less for them to work with--and maybe a few more inconvenient facts for them to deal with.

on: February 25, 2013, 06:30:45 PM 21 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

Update: "Something tells me" that there are going to be some more DNA results released maybe as early as the first week in March.  "Something tells me" that Hank and Wifeaux really aren't going to be pleased.

on: February 17, 2013, 02:55:31 AM 22 General Death Penalty / Kimberly McCarthy - TX - 6/26/13 - Executed / Re: Kimberly McCarthy - Execution Date Set January 29, 2013 new date April 3, 2013 and again 6/26/13

Craig Watkins came into office pledging to review convictions of those who were wrongfully imprisoned for crimes they did not commit--a truly noble goal; almost a higher purpose.  This had never before been a focus in Dallas County and I'm glad he did it.

However, now that he's focused on the wrongfully convicted (who nobody wants behind bars--or if you do, there's something really wrong with you, right?) and he made a rightfully-deserved name for himself, Craig's decided to go look for other ways to make a name for himself.  He's decided to focus on politicizing those who got what they deserved for artificial reasons.

Us: "but she viciously butchered a woman, cut her finger off so she could steal a wedding ring, stole cars, cash, etc., and ran off to her crack house to buy drugs with it--these facts are not in dispute."

Craig: "yes, true, but were there enough blacks on the jury?"

My experience after having been the foreman of a jury in Dallas County is that it's probably a good thing there were not more black people on this jury.  If there had been, McCarthy might have been sentenced to death twice!  Drugs, and the things that go with it, are destroying the Southern sector.  A whole bunch of people who live around it are getting very very tired of it.

on: February 04, 2013, 09:19:23 PM 23 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

A little bird told me that there may be some new developments in Hank's case really really soon!

on: February 02, 2013, 06:14:21 AM 24 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

Just got the following comment on a Youtube video where Skinner accuses his ex-wife of the murders:

Yeah, that ex-wife is my mother and there is no possible way she could have committed the murder. She had an air tight alibi for one and she and Twila were good friends for two. In addition, Skinner was the one who abused my mother during their volatile relationship and he wants to find a new fall guy. The poor uncle is now dead and can't defend himself, so he has to have someone else to try to put the blame off on.

I'm always amazed at the real people whose lives are impacted/destroyed by these beasts even years after they should have been worm food.  Here's to Skinner's lucky number being 2013!

on: February 01, 2013, 11:26:06 AM 25 General Death Penalty / Kimberly McCarthy - TX - 6/26/13 - Executed / Re: Kimberly McCarthy - Execution Date Set January 29, 2013 new date April 3, 2013 and again 6/26/13

The Dallas County DA, Craig Watkins, announced that he was authoring legislation similar to North Carolina's which would allow inmates to appeal their convictions on the basis of race.  I suspect this is why he said he wasn't opposing McCarthy's last minute jab at an appeal.

on: January 29, 2013, 09:51:10 AM 26 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

Again, you have to take all of the evidence in it's totality: the crime scene, his blood, his DNA, his behavior, his history, his statements at the time of his arrest, his statements since the crime, etc.  When you add all that up and look at it from a 50,000 foot view, there's no way there's "reasonable doubt."  He's finally gotten smart about talking out his a** since the crime.  The only way you can conclude Hank is innocent is to ignore everything for which there's an explanation--and focus on only those things which Hank (and his victims) could explain.  Hank is a con.  He's dishonest to the core (looks like he's always been that way) and doesn't have anything to lose by lying.

on: January 24, 2013, 02:20:30 AM 27 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Re: Unfinished Business!!!

Hi Lisa,

I empathize with your frustration.  However, if you step back and look: this guy will wait out justice in a small metal box.  His roommate is a toilet.  He's told what he can and can't do 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  He is deprived of virtually all meaningful human contact.  He will spend his remaining years there knowing that the ultimate end of it all will be a needle in his arm.  When he gets a date (and he'll probably get several) he will agonize over whether this will be the real day, or whether his lawyer can get him off one more time.

Yes, I wish justice were quicker; especially when everyone knows it's deserved.  However, if the wheels must turn slow, that's not a bad way for a scumbag to spend the rest of his life!

Anyway, sorry for your loss.  I hope we can be supportive.

on: January 23, 2013, 06:25:41 AM 28 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Henry Watkins "Hank" Skinner - TX - 11/09/2011

Just wait for the DNA.  In my mind there are only two possible outcomes from the tests; he will be difinitively linked to these items and hence the murders, or the DNA will be inconclusive in which case you would have to default to the juries orginal verdict and sentence.  Either way is bye bye Hank in '13.

He's already definitively linked to the murders.  This "oh but wait, there's DNA we can't identify on the knife" of "they lost the jacket that could exonerate him" is nothing more than distracting bunk.  The money that wifeaux wants to collect is for advertising or for her and her buddies to go drinking or spend on French income tax.

on: December 24, 2012, 06:50:59 AM 29 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Larry Swearingen - TX - New Date of X 2/27/2013

You know, I love John Bennett Allen (The Skeptical Juror).  I read his stuff all the time when I'm in need of a good needling of tediousness over the least likely sequence of details that can prove, when considered in the absence of common sense, how innocent a guilty person can be.  I also like to read the's own website to see where they show the world how [insert state] is about ready to execute a truly innocent man.

By the way, here's his link to his "Absolutely Astounding Case of Larry Swearingen" ...

So, go ahead, read part 1 (and as much of the rest as you want).  Then come back here.

I've always said that before we get to the "complicated," we need to get past the "simple". 

John (or J. Bennett or John B. or J.B. or whatever he wants to call himself this week) concludes "part 1" by posing the challenge: "Can you, as a skeptical juror, see it?  Can you see why Larry Swearingen must be factually innocent based on the evidence just presented?"

What follows, in the next 5 parts, is the "complicated."  The "facts" John cites in his diatribe do, beyond a shadow of a doubt, prove that Swearingen could not have possible committed this atrocious murder.  Even Swearingen's own website backs all John's stuff up.  So, there.  Swearingen's another innocent victim of the death penalty.  We can all go home now.

Before we go, though, I have a couple of "simple" questions that I'm having trouble getting past.  Maybe someone can help me make sense of these:

1) While in jail Swearingen faked a letter, with the help of a cellmate and an English-Spanish dictionary, to his mom purporting to be from a girl who was with Trotter's real murderer.  The letter contained a bunch of accurate, gory details about the crime.

2) A bunch of physical evidence was found at Swearingen's house/truck including things like the other half of the pair of panty hose found wrapped around the victim's neck and "forcibly removed hair follicles" from the victim's head.

So here are some "simple" questions about these two things:

1) How'd he know all this stuff?

2) How'd all that stuff get there?

Pretty fair questions, eh?  Pretty simple.  Yet, I can't find a good answer to either of these on either John's or Swearingen's website.  Can you?

As to the voluminous earth-shattering scientific revelations, I found the following nugget at the bottom of a story in the Austin Comical:

Prosecutor Warren Diepraam seemed to have a decent explanation.  He identified gaps in the chain-of-custody, questionable results (including one DNA sample attributed to Trotter that showed her to be male).  He summed it up nicely: "The defense is using junk science not supported by anybody; ours is supported by decades and hundreds of years of research."

So let's put a bottom line on all of this: guys like Swearingen, Hank Skinner, Troy Davis (and the rest of the seemingly endless parade of wrongfully-convicted death penalty poster children) have one thing in common: they create doubt by spending post-conviction years carefully crafting a twisty little maze of tedious evidence and supporting facts, some of which appears to be extremely convincing, to distract you from the "simple" questions you'd intuitively have.

Simple questions like: "Larry, how did you have all that accurate knowledge of the crime" and "how did all that physical evidence get in all those inconvenient places"?

So everybody go home and enjoy Christmas!  Don't feel too guilty if you aren't a true skeptical juror like John.  I'm sure you'll have many more opportunities to feel guilty!

on: November 22, 2012, 06:56:24 AM 30 General Crime / U.S. Crime Related News / Re: Danny Hembree Jr. Letter Sparks Death Penalty Debate--brags about DR comfort

I'm going to send this guy a Christmas card.  Here's how it's going to read:

"Dear Mr. Leisure Guy: Wishing you a very Merry Christmas from this beautiful open meadow by the lake I'm sitting at writing this card.  Perhaps you'll be taunted by color pictures of a similar one on the TV you watch from your solitary air-conditioned metal box where you may spend decades waiting for your final destiny.  While you take one of your leisure naps, you can dream about me walking barefoot along a Hawaiian beach (where I'll be next week) digging my toes in the sand and feeling the surf wash over my ankles.  So I'll raise my wine glass and toast your metal-boxed five senses and the limitless indulgence they'll never again experience.  Have a nice nap!"

"From the Self-Righteous Clowns at"

...cruelty has it's place from time to time :)
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