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on: January 16, 2013, 08:58:34 PM 1 General Death Penalty / Executed Offenders (Graveyard) / Robert Gleason Jr. - VA - 1/16/13




Thank you Virginia

on: November 18, 2012, 02:10:00 PM 2 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Memo

It must be an important MEMO! My cat seems to send it via the keyboard the printer and copy machine. I just have a hard time reading a blank piece of paper. Much less I am going broke buying reems of paper to replace the ones that the cat left a encrypted message on go figure! Can anyone help me? ??? ;D ??? ;) :-X

on: October 09, 2012, 08:52:06 PM 3 General Death Penalty / Cases to Watch / Jessica Ridgeway

Hi my friends I live in Westminster Colorado and I want us all to pray for Jessica to come home safe.

With our LOVE JESS our thoughts are for you!

on: June 17, 2012, 12:17:44 PM 4 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / HAPPY FATHERs DAY

HAPPY Father's DAY to all the Dad's out there. To you the DAD in SHINER TEXAS that took out a pedophile.  HAPPY FATHERS DAY.
YOU GAVE HIM MORE THAN A SHINER AND HE DESERVED IT!

on: May 11, 2012, 12:06:12 AM 5 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Spent Time (you are worth every second)

Pam or some call you SKOOP I will speak for myself . You can look at what time this was posted.   I think of you.     I also think of the grief. I have told people as well as countless others here on this site. You mean very much to us. I cry for you.          So you don't have to!  You do not have to cry skoopeeee I will do it for you.   We all hold each others hands in LOVE and Sorrow for you. You will always have me.
NEED I SAY MORE
LOVE YOU PAM
Kinda sux to be you though because I am high maintenance! But handsome and cute!    WINK, WINK, HUG HUG, KISS, KISS!

on: May 07, 2012, 04:48:39 PM 6 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Speaking for myself (to our sk00pee) we love you

 Pam or (skoopee)
  My heart is heavy. I will carry any burden that you can not bear and then some. I find a lot of pride in being your friend. I will do what you wish in the time of need or any other time to help you my Friend. FOR YOU ARE!!   LOVE  LOVE  KISS  KISS HUGG   HUGG!
WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER.    hug hug kiss skoop  :-* :-* my heart is with you!

on: May 05, 2012, 11:44:34 AM 7 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Sanity

 Hello my friends. There are countless times that I come to this site for sanity. I thank you SKOOPEEEEE for starting this site. You are a doll baby. To have a place to vent and visit with others that have had to struggle with the ugliness in cruel crime. It hurts my heart that we have to have a forum or venue to vent our feelings,rights,thoughts,wishes and desires.

In a insane society what is sane?    But insanity itself!     THINK ABOUT IT
Thank you PAM
My heart is heavy for your loss. You know my phone #

on: May 04, 2012, 02:21:15 PM 8 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / SKOOPeeee (we adore you)

The burden you bear is not your own. Pammmeeeeeeee  if not we  or I will carry the weight. For you are LOVED by many. I LOVE YOU GIRL. We have never met and we not need to. You are my sister in arms. Fear not baby sister. I will lead the way!
LOVE YOU PAM

on: May 03, 2012, 09:02:29 PM 9 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / ARE YOU LAFFIN YET(if your reading this)

 ?     (r u laffin yet)  you better be laffin.  For I do love you if you read this.  Once I tell you that I LOVE you that meens I LOVE you and thats  forever. So with that I LOVE YOU.    NAH/ NEE NAH          -++ NEE YOUR IT.
                                    SUX TO BE YOU
 fricking cat just w+alk+e
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on my keybo ard
I love him the little stinker he doesnt know how to type and he thinks he is learning.

on: May 03, 2012, 04:52:54 PM 10 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / You (my friends here on this site give me a giggle)

Well with the economy the way it is and the fact that I am a single handsome man. I am starting a service type business. Kinda like the Secret Service for the President of the United States of America you know the guys that protect other dignitaries as well. Well this is my thought there are women that marry death row inmates OK. So because we have VIAGRA,condoms, and liqour available. My Service would be a Professional Surrogate Con-summater. She wont even have to put $ on my books. I will also send the Death Row Inmate pictures of how the honeymoon. I can charge a flat fee or by the hour.

on: May 01, 2012, 06:55:05 PM 11 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / ROPE

Tom Ketchum From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search Black Jack
 
Born October 31, 1863(1863-10-31)
San Saba County, Texas
Died April 26, 1901(1901-04-26) (aged 37)
Union County, New Mexico Territory
Alias(es) Black Jack
Charge(s) attempted train robbery
Penalty Death
Status Executed by hanging
Occupation cowboy, cattle driver, outlaw
Children none.

Thomas Everard Ketchum (October 31, 1863 – April 26, 1901), known as Black Jack, was a cowboy who later turned to a life of crime. He was hanged in 1901 for attempted train robbery.

Contents [hide]
1 First train robberies and murders
2 Joining the Hole-In-The-Wall gang
3 Capture and death
4 Internet hoax
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
 

[edit] First train robberies and murders This unreferenced section requires citations to ensure verifiability.

Tom Ketchum was born in San Saba County, Texas. He left Texas in 1890, possibly after committing a crime. He worked as a cowboy in the Pecos River Valley of New Mexico, where by 1894, his older brother, Sam Ketchum, had joined him.[1] Black Jack and a group of others were named as the robbers of an Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway train that was en route to Deming, New Mexico Territory in 1892 with a large payroll aboard. The gang supposedly robbed the train just outside of Nutt, New Mexico Territory, a water station twenty miles north of Deming. Black Jack and his gang would often visit the ranch of Herb Bassett, near Brown's Park, Colorado, who was known to have done business with several outlaws of the day, having supplied them with beef and fresh horses. Herb Bassett was the father of female outlaws Josie Bassett and Ann Bassett, who were girlfriends to several members of Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch gang. One of Ann Bassett's boyfriends and future Wild Bunch gang member, Ben Kilpatrick, began riding with Black Jack's gang about that time. Outlaw "Bronco Bill" Walters, later noted for the legend of his "hidden loot" near Solomonville, Arizona, is also believed to have begun riding with the gang at this time.

The second major crime attributed to Tom was the murder of a neighbor, John N. "Jap" Powers, in Tom Green County, Texas, on December 12, 1895. However, information at the Sutton Historical Society in Texas, says that Will Carver and Sam Ketchum were the ones actually accused of killing Powers in Knickerbocker, Texas. Fearing the law, they closed their joint saloon and gambling venture in San Angelo, and hit the outlaw trail. Within six months, Mrs. Powers and her lover, J. E. Wright, were arrested for the murder, but it was too late for Carver and the Ketchums.

 
Tom KetchumBy late 1895, outlaw Harvey "Kid Curry" Logan and his brother Lonnie Curry were members of Black Jack's gang. However, in early 1896, a dispute concerning their share of robbery loot prompted the Currys to leave the gang.

It is alleged that Ketchum was involved with the February 1, 1896, disappearance and presumed murders of Albert Jennings Fountain and his son Henry Fountain of Las Cruces, New Mexico. In early June 1896, after working for the famed Bell Ranch in New Mexico, Tom and Sam Ketchum, and possibly others, robbed a combined store and post office at Liberty, New Mexico, northwest of present-day Tucumcari. According to contemporary accounts, the Ketchums rode into Liberty on June 12 and purchased supplies. That evening, a thunderstorm began, and they returned to the store, owned by Morris and Levi Herzstein, who invited them to take shelter.

Returning the next morning to open his store, Levi Herzstein found that both the store and post office had been burglarized. After gathering a posse, Herzstein set out on the outlaws' trail. The posse, composed of just four men, took the two outlaws by surprise in the Plaza Largo arroyo, where a shootout immediately began. Seconds later both Levi Herzstein and Hermenejildo Gallegos lay dead. Seeing his comrades fall, Anastacio Borgue turned his horse and rode out of the arroyo. Placido Gurulé, the fourth member of the posse, also survived to give an account. Gurulé said he had been struck by a .30-30 bullet that knocked him off of his horse. He landed on the ground with a blow that knocked the wind out of him. He lay in a semiconscious state as Black Jack Ketcham emptied his rifle into the bodies of Levi Herzstein and Hermenejildo Gallegos. Describing the event to his children and grandchildren, Gurulé would add, "I knew if I moved a muscle I would be a dead man." Tom and Sam Ketchum were never tried for the killings at the Plaza Largo arroyo, but Morris Herzstein reportedly was present in Clayton, New Mexico Territory to witness the hanging of Black Jack Ketchum in 1901.

Morris Herzstein moved to Clayton shortly after the killing in Liberty, and finally into the "Texas panhandle" area. This is memorialized by the inscription on a shoe brush: Herzstein's Clayton, New Mexico -- Dalhart, Texas. If it's from Herzstein's it's correct. Morris was the father of Albert Herzstein, who became one of the founders of Big 3 Industries in Houston, and is the man who helped the museum in Clayton to become a reality years later.

[edit] Joining the Hole-In-The-Wall gangFollowing this event, Thomas Ketchum joined other outlaws of the Hole in the Wall Gang and continued a life of crime, focusing on train robberies, although when not robbing trains they worked for several ranches in New Mexico and Texas. Several other notable outlaws operated out of Hole In The Wall, which was a hideout for numerous outlaw gangs which operated separately. The famous Wild Bunch gang, led by Butch Cassidy and Elzy Lay, operated out of there. One Wild Bunch gang member, Kid Curry, along with his brother Lonny Curry, had previously ridden with Black Jack Ketchum and his gang. He and Ketchum did not like each other, and Ketchum avoided Curry as much as possible, as Curry was well known to be the most dangerous of the Wild Bunch gang, and would kill nine lawmen over the course of the next eight years.

During this time, Tom Ketchum was once identified mistakenly as "Black Jack" Christian, another outlaw, and that became his nickname as well. Three of the train robberies that the gang committed were near the same location, between Folsom and Des Moines, New Mexico Territory. This was at the point where the old Fort Union wagon road crossed the Colorado and Southern Rail Road tracks near Twin Mountain.

On September 3, 1897, they committed their first robbery at Twin Mountain. Then, on July 11, 1899, the gang, without Black Jack, robbed the train again at Twin Mountain. After the robbery, Sam and several unknown gang members, in addition to Wild Bunch gang members Will Carver and William Ellsworth "Elza" Lay, headed for the mountains southwest of Raton, New Mexico Territory. The next day, a posse consisting of Sheriff Ed Farr of Huerfano County, Colorado, Special Agent W.H. Reno of the Colorado & Southern Railroad, and five deputies found their trail and tracked them into Turkey Creek Canyon near Cimarron, New Mexico. There, the posse engaged them in a gun battle. Sam Ketchum and two deputies were wounded seriously, and the gang escaped.

Sam Ketchum's wounds slowed the intended escape, and they made it only a short distance from the initial shootout. Several members of the posse cornered the Ketchum gang a few days later, still in the same area of the Territory. Deputy W.H. Love and Sheriff Ed Farr engaged the outlaws in another gun battle, resulting in both Farr and Love being killed, while the posse wounded at least two unknown members of the gang. Sam Ketchum escaped, but was found a few days later by Special Agent Reno at the home of a rancher, where he was arrested.

Sam Ketchum was taken to the Santa Fe Territorial Prison, where he died from his gunshot wounds. He was buried in the Odd Fellows Cemetery, now the Fairview Cemetery on Cerrillos Rd. in Santa Fe.

"Elzy" or "Elza" (William Ellsworth) Lay was born November 25, 1868, Mt Pleasant, Ohio. Lay had come out west to Denver, and became an outlaw after mistakenly believing he had killed a man. Jailed for life after the killing of Sheriff Farr after the Folsom robbery, he was released in 1906. He returned to Alma, New Mexico Territory and lived there for two years. He stayed with Louis and Walter Jones, who in 1904 had built a large merchandise store at Alma. Elzy died aged 65 in Los Angeles, on November 10, 1934.

[edit] Capture and death
Ketchum on the scaffold before hanging, April 26, 1901, Clayton, New Mexico
Sepia-tone photo from a contemporary postcard showing Tom Ketchum's decapitated body. Caption reads "Body of Black Jack after the hanging showing head snapped off."On August 16, 1899, Tom Ketchum, supposedly knowing nothing of the July 11 hold-up which ended in the death of his brother Sam, single-handedly attempted to rob the same train again at the same place and in the same way that he and Sam and others had robbed it just a few weeks earlier. The train conductor, Frank Harrington, saw Tom approaching the moving train. He recognized him, grabbed a shotgun, and shot Tom in the arm, knocking him off his horse. The train continued, and the next day a posse came out and found Tom beside the tracks, badly wounded. He was transported to medical facilities at Trinidad, Colorado, and his right arm had to be amputated. He was nursed back to health and then sent to Clayton, New Mexico Territory, for trial.

At the trial, Ketchum was convicted and sentenced to death. He was the only person ever hanged in Union County, New Mexico Territory (now Union County, New Mexico). He was also the only person who suffered capital punishment for the offense of "felonious assault upon a railway train" in New Mexico Territory (which did not become a state until 1912). Later, the law was found to be unconstitutional.[citation needed]

Ketchum was executed by hanging in Clayton. By freak coincidence, the rope was too long, and since Ketchum had gained a significant amount of weight during his time in jail, and nobody in Clayton had any experience in conducting hangings, Ketchum was decapitated when he dropped through the trap door.[2]

His last words were reported by the San Francisco Chronicle as: "Good-bye. Please dig my grave very deep. All right; hurry up."[3]

A popular postcard was made showing the body. Afterwards his head was sewn back onto the body for viewing, and he was interred at the Clayton Cemetery.

on: May 01, 2012, 01:55:54 PM 12 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / On topic today in history (we need more rope)

May 1 1942

The 215th and final hanging occurs at California's San Quentin maximum security prison. Subsequent executions utilize the facility's gas chamber, and ultimately, inmate's choice of that or lethal injection.

on: April 26, 2012, 05:51:26 PM 13 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Hard time

Going to go and bury GRANDMA tommorrow. Hard time yet she was tough to live to be 98 and walk to school up hill and then up hill back home 10 miles in a freezing snowstorm bare footed even.     ARE YOU LAFFIN YET?
Honestly I am going to put Grandma to rest. So with that it is HARD TIME

on: April 22, 2012, 08:42:20 PM 14 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / God Loves GRANDMAS 3/25/1914 to 4/21/2012

             Read this slow and outloud for then it will make sense
Before I start let me tell you about Grandma. She was born MARCH 25th 1914. Grandma walked to a one room schoolhouse in NEBRASKA. Uphill both ways (giggle giggle). She drove a city bus in San Diego California during world war II from 1942 until 1945. You do the math how old was she? She went from horse and buggy to darn      we dont need a horse no more.  People pooped outside and ate inside. Now we have barbeques  and we poop inside and eat outside. Go figure! She saw a man go from a hay wagon onto a truck then he landed on the moon. She is an amazing LADY. She drove her car and truck until she was 96yrs old. Lived in her home until 2 months ago when she fell and broke her back.  She passed away this morning and please dont say I am sorry Michael. For this is a celebration of the life she lived and the man she made me.                                          An old George Harrison song    But not for you.     LOOK IT UP    you might like it
          I LOVE YOU GRANDMA 

on: April 19, 2012, 09:13:26 PM 15 Off Topic / Off Topic- News / PAM WE LOVE YOU

 I will be the last in line to kiss and hug you. You need to know that I will be back miles away. Because of you and your family the line and list is long. But for you I want to be      so with that        SO not  BUT FOR YOU   George Harrison,
                                                                   a old  beatles song
   not  BUT FOR YOU        I AM ALWAYS THERE!                George Harrison,
                                        LOVE YOU MY FRIEND!
LOOK IT UP IT WILL HELP YOU SMILE!
                                                           LOVE YOU MY FRIEND
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