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on: May 30, 2012, 03:35:43 AM 2 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Hello from down under!

Hello!

My name is Sam and I am a junior lawyer from rural Victoria.

I have a keen interest in jail systems around the world and particularly in the death penalty.

I don't feel like I have enough information to make a rational decision on whether the death penalty is right or wrong, and so am here to learn from all of you! I am pretty opened minded and believe we all have a right to our own opinions, and will therefore respect each opinion whether I agree or disagree.

I am really looking forward to engaging in some friendly debates, and meeting new friends with similar interests!

Thanks for reading :)

on: May 29, 2012, 08:58:45 AM 3 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Carlos DeLuna: Another False Innocence Claim?

Carlos DeLuna: Another False Innocence Claim?
Dudley Sharp
 

No one can, responsibly, accept what the Liebman/DeLuna report says, without fully fact checking it, as well as evaluating bias.
 

However, we can review the previous record of both Liebman and the anti death penalty movement and assert that a healthy skepticism would be merited and wise.
 

What happened when folks took the time to fact check Liebman's prior opus, "A Broken System"? Take a look.
 

"A Broken Study: A Review of 'A Broken System"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/10/broken-study-review-of-broken-system.html
 
Any journalist and, even more likely, any anti death penalty activist, as Prof. Liebman is, can write an article/paper which is highly biased and can turn the facts anyway they wish.
 

Here is an example, which you should keep in mind:
 

Cameron Todd Willingham: Media meltdown & the death penalty:"Trial by Fire: Did Texas execute an innocent man?", by David Grann
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/10/04/cameron-todd-willingham-media-meltdown--the-death-penalty.aspx
 

Any good anti death penalty defense counsel, as Liebman, can make a convincing case, absent the prosecution's case and rebuttal. That is all we have, now.
 

Possibly, at some point, this report will be fact checked, as these were:
 

"The Innocent Executed: Deception & Death Penalty Opponents"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/10/08/the-innocent-executed-deception--death-penalty-opponents--draft.aspx
 

This is the perfect storm for anti death penalty folks. Both the "innocent" and "guilty" parties are dead and an, often,way too eager press plays defense mouthpiece for an anti death penalty report.
 

Am I saying that this newest Liebman report is total BS, just another anti death penalty tome whereby the conclusions can either be easily rebutted or that stronger positions can be made for guilt, with a thorough review, as was the case with many prior such cases?
 

No. But anyone would be a fool not to consider that possibility.
 

Time will tell.
 

and
 

MORE ON DELUNA
 

"The DeLuna Deception: At the Death House Door" Can Rev. Carroll Pickett be trusted?"
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/01/30/fact-checking-is-very-welcome.aspx
 

"Those closest to Carlos DeLuna case say Columbia Human Rights study doesn't raise new questions",
http://www.caller.com/news/2012/may/16/those-closest-to-carlos-deluna-case-say-columbia/
 

"Report questioning execution doesn't sway lawyers", MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press, May 16, 2012
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Report-questioning-execution-doesn-t-sway-lawyers-3564112.php
 

FALSE INNOCENT CLAIMS
 

See Section B. The false innocence claims by anti death penalty activists are both blatant and legendary
 

within
 

"The Death Penalty: Saving More Innocent Lives"
http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/03/death-penalty-saving-more-innocent.html

on: May 21, 2012, 06:43:33 AM 4 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / MISS Prison Riot Leaves One Dead

Further proof that the prison system is not infallable:

.......BRANDON, Miss. (AP) — A guard was killed and, at one point, hostages were taken during a riot at a Mississippi prison that holds illegal immigrants, authorities said.

The Sunday riot at the privately run Adams County Correctional Center in southwest Mississippi began around 2:40 p.m. CDT and involved dozens of inmates before it was brought under control that night.

Adams County Sheriff Chuck Mayfield told the Natchez Democrat that 15 employees were freed at one time during the uprising by opening a fence and protecting the route with guns. The sheriff said in a statement early Monday that there were at least two dozen hostages being held at one time.

Adams County Coroner James Lee confirmed that a guard died, but said he could not provide any other details until the correctional officer's family was notified. In addition to the guard who was killed, five other correctional officers and three inmates were injured.

Emilee Beach, a spokeswoman at the Adams County Correctional Center said that after the disturbance was brought under control Sunday night, inmates were being searched and sent back to their cells.

Beach said the prison, owned and operated by Corrections Corp. of America, holds illegal immigrants, most for charges of re-entering the United States after being deported.

The five injured guards were taken to a hospital and treated for injuries that weren't considered life-threatening.

The 2,567-bed prison in Natchez houses adult male illegal immigrants for the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

CCA spokesman Steve Owen confirmed in an email "there has been one employee death" but he said he could not provide more details immediately.

He said in an email early Monday "it is my understanding that all staff are accounted for." He said the company was investigating what caused the uprising.

Adams County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Emily Ham said no inmates had escaped the facility.

After the uprising began, CCA's Special Response Team and the Mississippi Highway Patrol's SWAT team sought to quell activities within the prison while state and local law-enforcement officers secured the perimeter of the complex, Mayfield said in a statement.

Mayfield added that prison personnel had "gained total control" of the complex.

"Right now, we have three inmate injuries that were probably sustained from other inmates — one being a stab wound, concussion and rib injuries," Mayfield added. "There were no escapes."

According to its website, Nashville, Tenn.-based CCA houses about 75,000 offenders and detainees in more than 60 facilities around the country.

Sunday's riot is not the first time CCA prisons have seen violence. The high level of violence at a CCA-run prison in Idaho has prompted federal lawsuits, public scrutiny and increased state oversight. In 2010, Vermont inmates being held at a CCA prison in Tennessee were subdued with chemical grenades after refusing to return to their cells.

on: May 19, 2012, 05:00:18 PM 5 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / And now for something completely different....

After an evening of ingesting "adult" beverages, and the resultant effects of the next morning(hangover from hell) I felt it necessary in the scheme of things to offer these views toward said drinking.... ::) ::) ::) ::)



http://youtu.be/eceSHKqwUPY?t=1m34s

on: May 11, 2012, 01:11:27 PM 6 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / Menewa Intoduction

I have been here for a while reading and listening.  I think I should tell a few things about myself so that others may be able to understand my positions.  I don’t post often, I really don’t know why.  Maybe I am shy—dunno.

I have worked in the public sector for 32 years.  I have witnessed or participated in over 75 post-mortem examinations in addition to other work.  My first autopsy was a person I knew.  That is a tough way to start a new career.  I have seen the full array of human depravity and this has molded some of my opinions on the Death Penalty.   Also there are two very personal instances in my life I may share someday.

After all these years I have determined in my own mind that prison  is for punishment  I do not deny nor debate the fact that prison has corrective and redemptive value for some inmates – it clearly does.  The deterrent value of prison is obtained when that punishment is viewed by the general public.  Prisoners in general population should do public works.

I place a high value on life.  I do not wish to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering on anyone, even those condemned to death.  For me to be confined to a small cell for even a short period of time would be sheer torment.  LWOP would not be an option for me; give me death.

I do think the victim and the victim’s family have the right to expect justice.  I pity them and grieve for them.  I do feel pity for the condemned inmate and their families; however that does not negate the punishment.  The inmate is the  cause of their pain.

So there is the problem I have.  Murderers should be punished and punished quickly.  They can never replace the life that was taken and LWOP is not acceptable to me personally, therefore, death is the only solution. 

Well that is a start.  I won’t post often but this should be enough for you to gain some insight into my thoughts.  Perhaps I can articulate my feelings completely over time.

on: May 08, 2012, 01:39:50 AM 7 General Death Penalty / Recidivism - why the Death Penalty Works / Paroled murderer kills 3.

Convicted murderer charged in West Woodlawn triple slaying
 
Tribune reporter
 
7:04 a.m. CDT, April 2, 2012
A man who finished serving a sentence for murder four months ago has been charged with a triple-slaying last week that left a South Side home strewn with bullet-riddled bodies.

Curtis A. Davis Jr. was once friends with the three men he’s now charged with shooting to death March 27 at an apartment in the West Woodlawn neighborhood, prosecutors said.

Dozens of shell casings littered the scene, and one victim was found on the porch, his body disfigured by 33 bullet wounds, authorities said.

One victim’s mother lives next to the two-flat where the shooting happened, and believes the shooting may have been sparked by an argument over a jacket.

“It sounded like an army, there were so many shots,” said Deborah Stewart, the mother of victim Terry L. Brown, 34, who lived in the apartment.

“I believe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Stewart said. “It was brutal. It makes no sense at all what they did to him.”

On Sunday, Cook County Judge James Brown ordered Davis, 40, held without bail on three charges of murder. Davis, bald and dressed in a plaid shirt, did not speak during the brief hearing.

Davis was freed from prison about three years ago after serving time for the February 21, 1989 murder of Harvey Austin in a public housing building in the 4400 block of South Evans Avenue in the Bronzeville neighborhood, according to prosecutors and court records. Two other men were acquitted in separate trials, but jurors found Davis guilty in 1990 and he was sentenced to 40 years, according to court records.

He was paroled in November 2008, and he finished serving his sentence in November 2011, said Stacey Solano, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Corrections.

A few months ago, Stewart’s son introduced her to the man who is now accused of murdering him, she said. Stewart knew Davis had recently been freed from prison, but she was unaware he was a convicted killer, she said as she wore her son’s oversize coat on her front steps. A memorial of candles, balloons and liquor bottles stood nearby.

“He didn’t seem like that kind of person at all,” she said. “He’s been in my house. I fed him … I want to ask him: ‘What would make you do Terry like that? What did he ever do to you?’”

About 11 p.m. Tuesday, Davis knocked on the door of the apartment in the 6300 block of South Evans Avenue, Assistant State’s Attorney Terry Clancy said. One man in the apartment, Michael Nowels, 33, of the 6400 block of South Stony Island Avenue, had planned to leave, and he walked out of the apartment as another of the men answered the door to see Davis, Clancy said.

After the man closed the door on Davis, the gunman fired several shots at Nowels, who was later found on the home’s porch with 33 bullet wounds, Clancy said.

Davis then forced open the apartment’s door and opened fire on Brown and Julius Benford, 29, of the 4400 block of South Princeton Avenue. Once those two were wounded, another man in the apartment grabbed a gun and shot at Davis — without hitting him — before scrambling out of the apartment to safety, prosecutors said.

Davis, whose listed address is a public housing facility on West 71st Street near the Dan Ryan Expressway, left the home and disassembled and discarded the gun, Clancy said.

After the gunfire stopped, Brown’s mother ran to his apartment and found her son full of bullet holes.

“When I laid on him, I felt he was gone,” she said.

Emergency responders found the bodies of Brown and Nowels, prosecutors said. Benford was pronounced dead at a local hospital, authorities said.

A witness identified Davis as the gunman, and he was arrested about 1:45 a.m. Friday at home. He confessed to the shootings, Clancy said.

Brown and Benford, known to friends as “Ju-Ju,” had been close friends since childhood, Stewart said. She acknowledged her son had some troubled friends in his younger days, but she said he was working odd jobs in construction and remodeling to help support his two children. She said there was a large amount of cash in the apartment but that it came from her, because she had just bought his truck, she said.

Nowels had diabetes and had struggled to find work because of frequent medical episodes that required hospital visits, said his mother, Cynthia Nowels. He occasionally went to Brown’s house to play video games, she said.

Authorities found about two dozen bullet casings leading from the back porch into the home and believed shots were fired from at least two weapons, police said last week. Narcotics and bundles of cash were found wrapped in plastic in a bedroom, according to a source.

Tribune reporter William Lee contributed.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-murder-convict-charged-in-west-woodlawn-triple-slaying-20120401,0,455342.story

What is that saying, "A tiger never changes it stripes" or something like that.  This guy should have still been in prison, three cheers for the idiots that decieded he is no longer a threat to the community.

Bet the DA wishes he/she still had the DP as an option for this asshole.  Way to go Illinois.

Hutch

on: May 03, 2012, 09:55:29 AM 8 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Stats on Double-, Triple-, and Quadrupleheaders

I copied this from another website I am a member of. This guy sure does his research!!

 Stats on Double-, Triple-, and Quadrupleheaders
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If nothing else, Lisa the PDP Stat Babe will appreciate this. And that's good enough for me.

And yes, this post is long. Cope.

First, some definitions:

Doubleheader: Two pieces of murderous scum being executed on the same day.

Tripleheader: Three pieces of murderous scum being executed on the same day.

Quadrupleheader: Four pieces of murderous scum being executed on the same day.

Back-To-Back Bonanza: A phenomenon in which a double-, triple-, or quadrupleheader is followed immediately by another double-, triple-, or quadrupleheader. This term can be shortened to "bonanza" if desired.


Introduction

In the time period ranging from 1976 to this posting, there have been 1,108 rightful and just executions in the USA. Of these 1,108 murderers, 243 of them (21.93%) were executed as part of either a doubleheader, a tripleheader, or a quadrupleheader. In total there have been 103 doubleheaders, 11 tripleheaders, and one quadrupleheader.

When we take a closer look, there are some interesting little nuggets for us to see.

Doubleheaders By The Same State

Of the 103 doubleheaders, 9 of them were doubleheaders in which the same state executed two murderers. Texas has done it 4 times. Arkansas has done it twice. Illinois has done it once. Louisiana and South Carolina each also have done it once, and in both of these instances the two murderers who were executed were done so for committing the same murder(s).

Doubleheaders By State

As should be no surprise, Texas has been involved in more doubleheaders than any other state. Of the 103 doubleheaders, Texas has been in 62 of them. Overall breakdown is as follows:

Texas: 62
Oklahoma: 26
Virginia: 16
Missouri: 15
Florida: 9
Georgia: 9
Arkansas: 7
South Carolina: 7
California: 6
Louisiana: 6
North Carolina: 6
Arizona: 5
Illinois: 4
Ohio: 4
Delaware: 3
Mississippi: 3
Alabama: 2
Washington: 2
Nebraska: 1
New Mexico: 1
Oregon: 1
Pennsylvania: 1
US Government: 1

Of the 103 doubleheaders, there have been 48 different combinations of states involved. The nine most frequent combos have been:

Missouri and Texas: 12 times
Oklahoma and Texas: 10 times
Texas and Virginia: 8 times
Georgia and Texas: 5 times
Oklahoma and Virginia: 5 times
Arkansas and Texas: 4 times
Florida and Texas: 4 times
Texas and Texas: 4 times
Ohio and Texas: 3 times

Nine different combos have happened twice: AR & AR; AZ & TX; CA & OK; CA & SC; CA & TX; FL & LA; FL & OK; MS & TX; NC & TX.

Thirty different combos have taken place once: AL & LA; AL & OK; AZ & DE; AZ & IL; AZ & MO; AR & MO; DE & NC; DE & TX; FL & MS; GA & IL; GA & NM; GA & OK; LA & SC; IL & IL; IL & TX; LA & LA; LA & SC; LA & TX; MO & VA; NE & VA; NC & OK; NC & SC; NC & VA; OH & OK; OK & US Government; OK & WA; OR & SC; PA & TX; SC & SC; TX & WA.


Tripleheaders

Of the eleven triple headers that have taken place, two of them have been tripleheaders in which one single state righteously executed three pieces of murderous scum. As a matter of fact (said trogdor, matter-of-factly) both times it has been done by the same exact state.

If you guessed Texas, then you...would...be...absolutely...completely...100%...





wrong.


The state which has executed two unassisted tripleheaders? Arkansas. And on one of these two occasions, the three murderers were executed for committing the same murder. On the other occasion, two of the three murderers were executed for committing the same murders, but the third murderer was executed for committing a different murder.

While Arkansas has successfully carried out two unassisted tripleheaders, these are the only tripleheaders in which Arkansas has taken part.

In one of the other triple headers, one state carried out two executions while another state executed one murderer. Texas was one state involved. The other was Illinois. If you guessed that Texas was the state which executed two pieces of murderous scum, then you...would...be...absolutely...completely...100%...





wrong.

Illinois executed two murderers, who were executed for committing different murders. Texas helped make it a tripleheader.

As I stated earlier, two tripleheaders unassisted tripleheaders done by Arkansas. This, however, is not the most frequent tripleheader combo. On three occasions, three stated have combined forces to execute murderers on the same day. Those three states: Arizona, Missouri, and Texas.

The complete breakdown of tripleheaders:

Arizona-Missouri-Texas: 3 times
Arkansas-Arkansas-Arkansas: 2 times
Missouri-Texas-Virginia: 2 times
Alabama-Florida-Utah: 1 time
Arizona-California-Texas: 1 time
Georgia-Oklahoma-Texas: 1 time
Illinois-Illinois-Texas: 1 time

It is interesting to note that while Utah is the only state to be in a tripleheader without also being in a doubleheader.

The Quadrupleheader

December 9, 1999. A glorious day. Murderers were executed in four states: Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, and Virginia.

Interestingly, Indiana was part of this quadrupleheader yet has never been in a doubleheader or a tripleheader.

State-By-State Breakdown

So in looking at all the doubleheaders, tripleheaders, and quadrupleheaders, it should surprise nobody that Texas tops the list. But on the everso important percentage basis, Texas only ranks 19th.

Top of the list? New Mexico, followed by Illinois and Arkansas.

1. New Mexico, 100% (1 out of 1)
2. Illinois, 58.33% (7 out of 12)
3. Arkansas, 55.56% (15 out of 27)
4. California, 53.85% (7 out of 13)
5. Washington, 50.00% (2 out of 4)
6. Oregon, 50.00% (1 out of 2)
7. Arizona, 39.13% (9 out of 23)
8. Mississippi, 33.33% (3 out of 9)
9-11. three-way tie between Nebraska, Pennsylvania, and the US Government, each 33.33% (1 out of 3)
12. Oklahoma, 31.03% (27 out of 87)
13. Missouri, 30.30% (20 out of 66)
14. Louisiana, 25.93% (7 out of 27)
15. Georgia, 23.81% (10 out of 42)
16. Delaware, 21.43% (3 out of 14)
17. South Carolina, 20.51% (8 out of 39)
18. Virginia, 19.00% (19 out of 100)
19. Texas, 18.72% (76 out of 406)
20. Utah, 16.67% (1 out of 6)
21. Florida, 15.43% (10 out of 64)
22. Ohio, 15.38% (4 out of 26)
23. North Carolina, 13.95% (6 out of 43)
24. Alabama, 7.89% (3 out of 38)
25. Indiana, 5.26% (1 out of 19)
26-30. five-way tie between Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, South Dakota, and Wyoming, 0.0% (0 for 1)
31. Kentucky, 0.00% (0 for 2)
32. Montana, 0.00% (0 for 3)
33. Tennessee, 0.00% (0 for 4)
34. Maryland, 0.00% (0 for 5)
35. Nevada, 0.00% (0 for 12)


Year-By-Year Breakdown

The first doubleheader took place in 1984, and included the object of Succubus Helen Prejean’s shower nozzle masturbatory fantasies- Elmo Sonnier.

Since then:

1984: 2 doubleheaders
1985: 1 doubleheader
1987: 2 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
1988: 1 doubleheader
1990: 1 doubleheader
1991: 1 doubleheader
1992: 3 doubleheaders
1993: 4 doubleheaders
1994: 3 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
1995: 7 doubleheaders
1996: 5 doubleheaders
1997: 5 doubleheaders, 2 tripleheaders
1998: 6 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
1999: 11 doubleheaders, 3 tripleheaders, 1 quadrupleheader
2000: 10 doubleheader, 2 tripleheaders
2001: 11 doubleheaders
2002: 11 doubleheaders
2003: 6 doubleheaders
2004: 2 doubleheaders
2005: 3 doubleheaders
2006: 2 doubleheaders
2007: 1 tripleheader

Month-By-Month Breakdown

1997 started off with a tripleheader. 1998, 2001, 2002, and 2004 each started off with a doubleheader. Only one year ended with anything other than a single execution: 1992 ended with a doubleheader.

The full breakdown:

January: 14 doubleheaders, 2 tripleheaders
February: 5 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
March: 11 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
April: 5 doubleheaders, 2 tripleheaders
May: 14 doubleheaders
June: 8 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
July: 9 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
August: 9 doubleheaders, 4 tripleheaders
September: 6 doubleheaders
October: 5 doubleheaders
November: 7 doubleheaders, 1 tripleheader
December: 10 doubleheaders, 1 quadrupleheader


So does your brain hurt yet? Wait…there’s more.

Back-To-Back Bonanzas

January 1995 marked the first back-to-back bonanza. On January 24, 1995 two murderers were executed in a doubleheader (Virginia and North Carolina). The very next two murderers to be executed after that were also executed in a double header, on January 31, 1995 (Texas and Texas).

In total, there have been 10 back-to-back bonanzas. As you will see, each bonanza has one thing in common: Texas. Texas has participated in every back-to-back bonanza.

Of these bonanzas, three are extra special because they were back-to-back bonanzas which occurred on consecutive days.

May 4, 1999: California-Texas Doubleheader
May 5, 1999: Arizona-Texas Doubleheader

February 23, 2000: Florida-Texas Doubleheader
February 24, 2000: Florida-Texas Doubleheader

December 6, 2000: Texas-Virginia Doubleheader
December 7, 2000: Florida-Texas Doubleheader

One back-to-back bonanza was one in which a doubleheader was immediately followed with a tripleheader. Five different states took part in this bonanza. First, Louisiana and South Carolina did a doubleheader, and then Arizona, Missouri, and Texas followed it up with one of their three tripleheaders.

And here is another interesting tidbit related to two more back-to-back bonanzas: The only time either Oregon or New Mexico took part in a doubleheader, they did so as part of a back-to-back bonanza.

Oregon's came first, when they teamed up with South Carolina with Illinois and Texas teaming up for a doubleheader immediately afterwards.

New Mexico's came in a bonanza in which Georgia first teamed with New Mexico and then followed up with a doubleheader with Texas.

I have mentioned 7 of the 10 back-to-back bonanzas. The other three:

Missouri and Texas, followed by Arkansas and Arkansas
Oklahoma and Texas, followed by Florida and Oklahoma
Arkansas and Texas, followed by Oklahoma and Virginia

The Back-To-Back-To-Back SupahDupahBonanza

2002

December 10, December 11, and December 12.

Three most glorious days.

On these three days, there were three consecutive doubleheaders.

December 10, 2002: North Carolina and Oklahoma
December 11, 2002: Mississippi and Texas
December 12, 2002: Alabama and Oklahoma

Near-Tripleheaders

A near-tripleheader is a two-day occurrence in which one day includes a double header and the other includes the execution of one single piece of murderous scum.

A strict near-tripleheader is a near-triple header for which if the tripleheader had formed, then no bonanza could possibly result.

There have been 28 strict near-tripleheaders. Of these, 20 involve Texas. On five of these occasions, a Missouri-Texas doubleheader took place either the day before or the day after a Texas execution. Two other Missouri-Texas double headers are also part of strict near-tripleheaders. One doubleheader took place on the day before a Louisiana execution, and another one took place the day before a Delaware execution.

On two other occasions, an Ohio-Texas doubleheader took place either the day after a Texas execution. Another Ohio-Texas doubleheader took place the day after an Oklahoma execution.

On two other occasions a Texas-Virginia doubleheader took place the day after a Texas execution; and on one of these occasions, the Texas-Virginia double header was part of an already-existing back-to-back bonanza. Another Texas-Virginia doubleheader took place the day after a Maryland execution.

Both California-Texas doubleheaders are part of strict near-tripleheaders. One of these doubleheaders took place the day before a Florida execution. The other was part of a back-to-back bonanza which began on the day after a Virginia execution.

There are two strict near-tripleheaders in which Texas was the single-execution state which came just the day before or after a doubleheader involving two other states. One Texas execution happened the day before an Alabama-Louisiana doubleheader, and another Texas execution took place the day after a Georgia-Oklahoma doubleheader.

The other three strict near-tripleheaders involving Texas are one in which a Texas execution took place the day before an Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader, one in which an Oklahoma execution took place the day before an Arkansas-Texas execution, and one in which a Texas execution took place the day after a Georgia-Texas execution which was the latter half of a back-to-back bonanza.

Eight of the 28 strict near-tripleheaders did not involve Texas at all. And interestingly enough, each one has a different state involved in the single execution:

Illinois executed a murderer the day before an Arkansas-Arkansas doubleheader.
Louisiana executed a murderer the day before a Georgia-Illinois doubleheader.
Georgia executed a murderer the day before a Georgia-South Carolina doubleheader
Virginia executed a murderer the day before a South Carolina-South Carolina doubleheader.
Oklahoma executed a murderer the day before a Louisiana-South Carolina doubleheader.
Arizona executed a murderer the day before an Oklahoma-Virginia doubleheader.
Florida executed a murderer the day before the North Carolina-Oklahoma doubleheader which was the first part of the Back-To-Back-To-Back SupahDupahBonanza.

Sammiched Singles

A Sammiched Single is an execution which is singly sammiched in between double-, triple-, or quadrupleheaders. The sammiched single, by its nature, prevents back-to-back bonanzas from occurring.

There have been 14 sammiched singles- five from Texas, two from Florida, and one each from Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Maryland, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Virginia.

Of the 14 sammiched singles, two of them occurred both the day after one doubleheader and the day before another doubleheader. One of these was a righteous Texas execution which took place the day after a California-Oklahoma doubleheader and the day before an Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader. The other was another righteous Texas execution which took place the day after an Oklahoma-Virginia execution and the day before an Oklahoma-Texas execution. These sammiched singles, by their nature, are a part of two near-tripleheaders, but neither one is a strict near-tripleheader because the back-to-back bonanza automatically would be formed.

Another sammiched single from Texas was which took place the day before a Missouri-Texas doubleheader. It took place immediately after a North-Carolina-Texas doubleheader, but not on the day after that doubleheader. This sammiched single is part of a near-tripleheader with the Missouri-Texas doubleheader, but it is not a strict near-doubleheader.

Likewise, one of the Florida sammiched singles took place the day after a California-Texas doubleheader. It took place immediately before a Delaware-Texas doubleheader but not on the day before that doubleheader. This sammiched single is part of a near-tripleheader with the California-Texas doubleheader, but it is not a strict near-doubleheader.

Two of the sammiched singles were sammiched by one doubleheader and one tripleheader. One Texas sammiched single was sammiched by an Arizona-Missouri-Texas tripleheader and an Arizona-Texas doubleheader. The Ohio sammiched single was sammiched by an Arkansas-Texas doubleheader and an Arizona-Missouri-Texas tripleheader.

Two additional sammiched singles are interestingly sammiched by different halves of the same back-to-back bonanza: the bonanza in which the Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader was followed by the Florida-Texas doubleheader. The Arkansas sammiched single was sammiched by the first half of this bonanza and additionally by a Florida-Texas doubleheader. The Oklahoma sammiched single was sammiched by the second half of this bonanza and additionally by an Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader.

The remaining six sammiched singles include:

A Florida execution sammiched by an Arkansas-Texas doubleheader and a Texas-Virginia doubleheader
A Maryland execution sammiched by an Arkansas-Arkansas doubleheader and a Texas-Washington doubleheader
An Arizona execution sammiched by a California-South Carolina doubleheader and a Nebraska-Virginia doubleheader
An Alabama execution sammiched by a Texas-Texas doubleheader and an Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader
A Virginia execution sammiched by a Texas-Virginia doubleheader and an Arizona-Illinois doubleheader
A Texas execution sammiched by an Oklahoma-US Government doubleheader and a Georgia-Oklahoma doubleheader

Near-Quadrupleheaders And Near-Quintupleheaders

A near-quadrupleheader is either:

a two-day occurrence in which one day includes a tripleheader and the other day includes a single execution of a murderer

OR

a three-day occurrence in which a double-header takes place both the day before a single murderer is executed and the day after another single murderer is executed.

There have been three near-quadrupleheaders. In one near-quadrupleheader, Texas executed a murderer before one of Arkansas’s unassisted tripleheaders. In another near-quadrupleheader, a Florida-Texas doubleheader took place the day after an Ohio execution and the day before an Alabama execution.

In the other near-quadrupleheader, a Missouri-Texas doubleheader took place the day before a Texas execution and the day after a Florida execution. This doubleheader is mentioned later on because it also took place two days after another Florida execution.

A near-quintupleheader is either:

a two-day occurrence in which one day includes a quadrupleheader and the other day includes a single execution of a murderer

OR

a three-day occurrence in which a triple-header takes place both the day before a single murderer is executed and the day after another single murderer is executed.

There have been two near-quintupleheaders. In one near-quintupleheader, Texas executed a murderer before the Indiana-Oklahoma-Texas-Virginia quadrupleheader. In the other near-quintupleheader, an Arizona-California-Texas tripleheader took place the day after a Texas execution and the day before a Virginia execution.

Near-Bonanzas

A near-bonanza is a three-day occurrence in which single executions on two consecutive days take place either the day before or the day after a doubleheader, tripleheader, or quadrupleheader. What makes these occurrences near-bonanzas is the fact that a back-to-back bonanza would have formed either if the earlier of the two single executions had been shifted later by one day or if the later of the two single executions had been shifter earlier by one day.

There have been 7 near-bonanzas. One was mentioned earlier. A near-quadrupleheader was mentioned in which a Missouri-Texas doubleheader took place the day before a Texas execution and the day after a Florida execution. This doubleheader also took place two days before another Florida execution, thereby causing an overlap between a near-quadrupleheader and a near-bonanza.

Does your brain hurt now?


Another near-bonanza is all about Texas…a Texas-Texas doubleheader took place the day after one Texas execution and two days after another Texas execution.

Another near-bonanza involved a tripleheader. The Illinois-Illinois-Texas tripleheader took place the day before an Indiana execution and two days before a Texas execution.

Another near-bonanza involves the Nebraska-Virginia doubleheader which sammiched an Alabama execution, as mentioned earlier. This doubleheader took place the day before an Indiana execution and two days before a South Carolina execution.

Among the other three remaining near-bonanzas include:

a Missouri-Virginia doubleheader which took place the day after one Florida execution and two days after another Florida execution

an Oklahoma-Florida doubleheader which happened the day after a Texas execution and two days after a Pennsylvania execution

an Oklahoma-Texas doubleheader which took place the day after one Texas execution and two days after another Texas execution.

Yes, Clarkprosecutor Is Incorrect

The clarkprosecutor site, while a good resourse an stuff, is fraught with random errors. One such error: the site shows a doubleheader on May 12, 1995 featuring Oklahoma and Connecticut. The CT execution happened on the 13th...no doubleheader.

Conclusion

Doubleheaders, tripleheaders, quadrupleheaders, and bonanzas are all awesome. Pray for more.

Discuss.

 
 
 


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on: May 02, 2012, 09:19:27 AM 9 Off Topic / Off Topic - Anything / Introducing Rayven Kaye

 Rayven Kaye ..7 lbs 15.6 oz and 21 1/2 inches long . She was born at 12:36 pm May 1st .



HAD TO MOTIFY CAUSE ME MAW MISSPELLED HER NAME . OOPS . LOL

on: April 30, 2012, 09:52:54 AM 10 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Rolling Back The Death Penalty

I have found this article :


http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentaries/149510925.html

Rolling back the death penalty

Article by: E.J. DIONNE JR. , Washington Post
   
Updated: April 30, 2012 - 11:07 AM

Since the 2010 elections, the activism of newly empowered conservative and Republican state legislatures has gained national attention with their wars on public employee unions, additional restrictions on abortion, and new barriers to voting.

Against this backdrop, the little state of Connecticut has loomed as a large progressive exception. Last year, it became the first state to require employers to grant paid sick leave. It also enacted a law granting in-state tuition to students whose parents brought them to the United States illegally as young children.

And recently, Connecticut Gov. Dan Malloy signed a law repealing the state's death penalty. There are now 17 states without capital punishment, Illinois having joined the ranks last year. What happened in Connecticut brings home the flaw in seeing everything that has happened in the states since the midterm vote as embodying a steady shift rightward.

Where they hold power, progressives have also been using their states as laboratories, and Malloy is part of an impressive group of mostly smaller-state Democratic governors who have combined a moderate, business-friendly style with progressive policymaking. Their ranks include, among others, Govs. Jack Markell in Delaware, Martin O'Malley in Maryland, John Hickenlooper in Colorado, Deval Patrick in Massachusetts and outgoing Gov. John Lynch in New Hampshire.

After the 2012 election, a key front in the battle for America's political future will involve how the various left and right experiments in the states are judged. Aggressive conservatives such as Govs. Scott Walker in Wisconsin and John Kasich in Ohio are in the headlines now, and the recall Walker faces will keep him there for a while. But there will be a quieter and more comprehensive reckoning down the road. 

Part of this reckoning will be a remarkable pivot in the politics of the death penalty, the premier issue on which an overwhelming consensus favoring what's taken to be the conservative side has begun to crumble.

In the 1980s and '90s, capital punishment was a staple of Republican campaigns against a handful of liberals who bravely stuck with their opposition to the ultimate punishment. George H.W. Bush used the issue effectively against Democrat Mike Dukakis in the 1988 presidential campaign, and so did Republicans in their 1994 electoral sweep, notably in defeating three-term Democratic Gov. Mario Cuomo in New York. And no wonder: In 1994, support for the death penalty hit its peak of 80 percent nationwide.

But a Gallup survey last fall showed how much things have changed: Support for capital punishment was down to 61 percent. Among the many reasons for the drop are a decline in crime rates, which has increased public confidence in the criminal justice system, and a stream of reports casting doubt on the guilt of some who were executed. In addition, significant groups of libertarian Republicans and opponents of abortion have crossed to the repeal side. An important test of the new politics of capital punishment will come this November in a California death penalty referendum.

For all this, it still takes political courage to end capital punishment. A Quinnipiac University poll released last week as Malloy signed the death penalty repeal found 62 percent of Connecticut voters still favoring executions of those convicted of murder, with only 30 percent opposed. Just 29 percent approved of the Legislature's handling of the issue, while 51 percent disapproved.

But (and it's a very important but) support for the death penalty, in Connecticut and elsewhere, is not as robust as it looks. When Quinnipiac asked a different question -- "Which punishment do you prefer for people convicted of murder, the death penalty, or life in prison with no chance of parole?" -- only 46 percent favored the death penalty. An equal number chose life without parole. Death penalty opponents have an opening they haven't had for some time.

Moreover, voters aren't as agitated by the issue as they once were. Only 37 percent of Connecticut voters told Quinnipiac that the issue would be "extremely" or "very" important to how they cast their ballots in legislative elections.

Malloy is under no illusions about the strong residual opposition to repeal. When he signed the repeal bill last Wednesday, he did so with little ceremony, carefully observing that "many people whom I deeply respect, including friends and family ... believe the death penalty is just."

Nonetheless, what Malloy did was historic, and it was a sign that despite the dreary polarization that characterizes our debates, American politics is still capable of springing surprises.





Photo : Dr. William Petit Jr., left, speaks to the media as his sister Johanna Chapman looks on at the Capitol in Hartford, Conn., in early April. The sole survivor of the deadly Cheshire home invasion made an eleventh-hour push to persuade members of the Connecticut Senate to oppose efforts to repeal the state's death penalty.  :'( (Photo: Jim Michaud, Associated Press)





Anne

on: April 25, 2012, 06:16:57 AM 11 Off Topic / Off Topic- News / no comment

Our morons are actually trying to keep this a secret.



This brand spanking new Airbus 340-600, the largest passenger airplane ever built, sits just outside its hangar in Toulouse, France without a single hour of airtime.

Enter the Arab flight crew of Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies (ADAT) to conduct pre-delivery tests on the ground, such as engine run-ups, prior to delivery to Etihad Airways in Abu Dhabi.

The ADAT crew taxied the A340-600 to the run-up area.

Then they took all four engines to takeoff power with a virtually empty aircraft. Not having read the run-up manuals, they had no clue just how light an empty A340-600 really is.

The takeoff warning horn was blaring away in the cockpit because they had All 4 engines at full power. The aircraft computers thought they were trying to take off, but it had not been configured properly. (flaps/slats, etc.)
Then one of the ADAT crew decided to pull the circuit breaker on the Ground Proximity Sensor to silence the alarm. This fools the aircraft into thinking it is in the air.. The computers automatically released all the brakes and set the aircraft rocketing forward.

The ADAT crew had no idea that this is a safety feature so that pilots can't land with the brakes on.

Not one member of the seven-man Arab crew was smart enough to throttle back the engines from their max power setting, so the

$200 million brand-new aircraft crashed into a blast barrier, totalling it.




The extent of injuries to the crew is unknown due to the news blackout in the major media in France and elsewhere. Because..........
Coverage of the story was deemed insulting to Muslim Arabs.




One French Airbus: $200 million dollars
Untrained Arab Flight Crew: $300,000 Annual Salary
Unread Operating Manual: $300

Aircraft meets retaining wall and the wall wins.

PRICELESS!

"And that's why their God gave them camels"!

I am still trying to discover who will be paying for this. The Dune coons or us French taxpayers.

on: April 11, 2012, 10:47:50 AM 12 Forum Rules and Information / Introductions / ChevyWolken new member

Watched PDP for a long time and thought its time to become a member, and I try to keep up with all the intelligent and good  posts. I'm as a american at heart as it could be without being there.I support DP even that is not possible in germany and many other countries today, but I'm conviced thats the only punishment appropiate for many crimes all over the world. Nice to be in your comunity    :-* :-*     

on: April 06, 2012, 08:31:45 AM 13 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / "White Widow" Serious Stuff People!!


I know many of you saw these several years ago but they are so good I just had to share them again!    ;D

on: March 30, 2012, 05:36:35 PM 14 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Capital Punishment - The British Perspective

Anyone caught the recent spate of documentaries on Channel Four featuring Death Row prisoners in the United States?

An interesting, and quite typical insight into how America puts out its garbage. But what about here, in Britain? Is it the British people that do not support capital punishment, or just the British Government that doesn't? Anyone who believes the two operate in harmony, by the way, are deluded! Immigration, and our EU membership are but a couple of the many issues demonstrating just how detached the British Government is from the people it purports to serve, regardless of who it is today that is prancing around Downing Street and who it has been over the past 30 odd years; about the time when it all started going Pete Tong. My own mind on capital punishment is mixed; I'm a confused bunny. Depends on what day of the week it is and whether the moon is full or quarter as to whether I'm in favour of it or not. What a juvenile mindset to have on an issue as serious as life or death of another human being. I recognise that, and I'd like to return to my juvenile mindset later on, if I may. Just as well I'm not the Governor of Texas, I suppose, those death row inmates wouldn't know if they were coming or, quite literally, going. Neither would the voters come to think of it, and that just wouldn't do.

The Channel Four documentaries... well, the two I watched focused on a couple of death row inmates: Hank Skinner and Linda Carty. They're both innocent victims facing execution at the hands of an unjust and fatally flawed US justice system, so say Skinner and Carty, naturally. More about them later. Thankfully, one of  the programmes was made by the rather excellent German film maker Werner Herzog. The main reason I say thankfully isn't just because of his talent in documentary making (his progs have cropped up several times on British TV over the years) No, I say thankfully because Mr Herzog, unlike British documentary makers who dash across the pond every once in a while to film America's condemned, always remains pretty much neutral on the subject, agenda less, you might say, other than his desire to show us what his camera has managed to capture. It's true that his narrations are quite morose, but it adds something to his programmes, considering the subject matter. He's not making a documentary to judge, he's going to let us, the viewer, do that, he's filming something simply to show us something, and that's all. He's neither condemning the executioner (the United States Government) nor agreeing with it - neither believing or disbelieving the protests of innocence that pour out of the stars of his films (death row inmates). I like his style. I imagine him with his family on Christmas day passing around the turkey – that voice -“and here, we see, the green of, the mint sauce, with its earthly glow, glide along the, spoon's edge and onto a plate, this plate, my plate.” I'm certain he's a decent German.

When a British documentary is made about America's use of capital punishment it is presented with an agenda, not even sometimes, but always. Look at these crazy Americans and how they're stuck in the dark ages with their gassing and electrifying and lethal injecting of criminals. It's the same when the British media reports on the subject, and when UK politicians speak about it. Where outright condemnation is resisted (rarely) sarcasm takes its place, along with those other superstars of the British psyche... finger wagging, tut tutting, eyes rolling. Patronising the Americans regarding their justice system makes us Brits feel just great about ourselves, doesn't it? What is with America and its insistence on state sanctioned murder? Are they barbarians over there or what? A ghastly business in which we do not partake. Well not any more we don't. I don't think I have ever watched a British made programme or British news report to do with America's use of capital punishment that hasn't contained either unashamed condemnation or, at best, a condescending tone. An opportunity to finger wag at the Americans must always be seized. Another chance to feel superior over our cousins across the pond with the funny accents and big cars. The agenda. Personally, I despise it. Thank God for the German.

What's it say about us, all this finger wagging and tut tutting, that we're better? We know best? That the British justice system is superior to that of America's? Yeah, OK then. Anyone who believes that is also deluded, quite seriously so, if you ask me. Before going anywhere near the capital punishment issue we can find a whole lorry load of examples where the British justice system is quite inferior to that of America's. So let's have a quick look at two of them...British judges are not elected, American judges are. Why's that important? The elected judge must keep a keen eye on the decisions he or she makes in the courtroom, and an even keener eye on the mood of the community in which he or she serves, failure to do so will almost certainly lead to the judge not being a judge any more come election day. Elected judges have to earn their jobs. The community must have faith in them. There's a partnership at work - the judge and the community. The vast majority of American communities, and I'd like to believe British communities too but I'd never put money on it, are not made up of limp-wristed, tree hugging do-gooders that believes every criminal is either innocent, or shouldn’t be punished but instead given “support” and “understanding.” No, they want, demand, and elect judges that'll deliver the goods. American judges almost always do.

And now, in stark contrast, please, give it up, for the one, the only, the unelected...British judgeeeees... yah, woop woop. This lot can hardly care less about what the community wants if it so pleases them. They watch British Prime Ministers, entire Governments even, come and go. The business of election, re-election, all change at the top etc, effects them not. So the great unwashed can just go and bloody well bugger off with their incessant cries for justice and punishment to fit the crime nonesense. What do they think this is, a democracy?

It is no exaggeration to state that it's sadly an almost monthly occurrence in this country now where yet another serial criminal, even rapist or savage murderer is given, not the harshest, or even harsh in relation to the crime, but softest of sentences. Public outcry, when it happens, achieves nothing. There is an epidemic in Britain of vicious murderers who are freely walking the streets today that were released from prison early, really early. Interestingly, though, make any form of racist remark in Britain, whether light hearted or otherwise, and you will feel the full wrath of the UK justice system come down upon you like a ton of hot bricks, make no mistake. You should prepare for prison on trial day. But that's a whole Blog all by itself, another time, perhaps. Back to judges and our second quick example of why the British justice system is in no way superior to America's...

The American justice system fully understands the meaning of the word "life” when used in the context of handing out a prison sentence, the British justice system does not. In almost all cases when a judge in an American courtroom tells a criminal that he or she is going to prison for “life”, the criminal knows only too well, that barring new evidence or winning an appeal somewhere down the line, they are going to die in prison, there's no getting around it. Hasta la vista, homey.

So what happens when a British judge hands down a life sentence? They use the word "life" but completely ignore its definition. Over here, when a judge oh so regrettably and terribly reluctantly hands out a “life” sentence to a poor, unfortunate lost soul that has committed a violent act of murder, the judge invariably means 15 years, 20 to 25 years tops if national media are following the case for some reason. That's maybe 25 years, if we're lucky, if the family of the murder victim is lucky. It is true that there are a handful of people in British prisons that will die in them, but their sentences have little to do with a judge that was so overcome with a deep sense of justice that he put them away for life, real life,  it's more to do with them being political prisoners, that is, to let them out would cause such a public outcry that any Government bold enough to sign their release papers would probably not be the Government any more come the next election. Child Killer Ian Brady, and Peter Sutcliffe, The Yorkshire Ripper are two such prisoners; Brady locked away in the early 1960's just a couple of years after capital punishment had been abolished, and Sutcliffe locked up in the early 80's. Myra Hindley, Brady's accomplice, was also kept in jail way past the 30 year mark, until she went and died on us. The British public, including myself, do not want to see these monsters released from their cages - feed 'em - water 'em - point 'em to a toilet every few hours and throw a blanket over 'em at winter time, the end. But they're an elite bunch. They truly are the megastars of the British criminal world. They have received so much press attention over the years that everybody in this country knows their names. Releasing them would be like digging up the bones of Elvis Presley - just never do it, ever. There are thousands of murderers in UK prisons that are not particularly famous as such, very few of them, if any, will serve anywhere near the amount of time like that of the megastars, despite the public calling for them to. Selective justice, or something like that. Question is, who voted for it? It wasn't me!

So why do UK judges even bother to use the word "life" when sentencing a murderer that everyone knows will be out bouncing up and down the High Street and grinning like a Cheshire cat in no time at all? Ah, the million pound question that I, for one, cannot answer. I look to the comments of others directly below this blog in the hope that one day, someone will; it hasn't happened yet! Where's a judge when you need one? Perhaps I'll gate-crash my local Freemasons' Club where I'll be sure to find a ton of judges enjoying drinky-poos and fine conversation; I can put the question to them directly. They say the judges at that club really know how to party, it sometimes gets down to just underwear and everything.

Yes, them British judges; you have to smile. The pomposity. The ceremony. The whole facade that justice is being served. "You have been found guilty of rape and murder, sadly therefore it is the regretable decision of this court, that you shall go to prison for erm, for um, well, you know, erm, li, errr, life. Mr Bailiff, I would be most grateful if you would kindly show the young man to the cells." "Certainly, your honour. And may I say that it has been, well, an honour to serve under you these past three and a half weeks, your honour." "Not at all, Mr Bailiff." "Your honour, may I ask, will my membership to the, you know, club, be approved soon do you think.?" "Not here, Bailiff, not here." "Of course not, your honour, forgive me. Righty oh, follow me young man, if you wouldn't mind, this way, please."

I'd like to know how they've been getting away with it all these years. And when did it start, or has it always been like this and we just didn't notice? We used to hang murderers in Britain so we haven't always been limp-wristed. What happened? When exactly did this "you will go to prison for life" as long as it does not exceed 25 years malarkey start? Life = 25 years? Since when? Alright, forget about locking them up and throwing away the key, what about not even uttering the word "life" when sentencing a murderer, just say 10, 15, 20, or 25 years? Just say what you mean and nothing else. Don't imply a life sentence. Don't build our hopes on this vicious killer going to prison for life when he's not. For me, about the only thing worse would be a beautiful woman who, while we're enjoying a late dinner at Ollies Oysters, promises me some passion back at her place later. When later finally rolls around there we are, outside her front door and embraced in a midnight kiss, the twinkling stars above us dancing with excitment and the giant moon beaming down an approving smile. I catch a glimpse of a shooting star as I dare to open my eyes for a second in case I'd been mistaken and she's not really as pretty as Charlize Theron; oh yes she is. Then her lips pull off mine, she unlocks her front door and steps inside. But wait, she's not going to invite me in? I ask her, puzzledly "and the passion you promised?" she replies, "was that not passionate?" I hate it when people do that.

If you're anything like me, you dread each time Ian Huntley is in the news. What now? Been attacked in prison again, has he? Confessed to killing more girls? Or - my second biggest dread behind confessing more murders - has a team of “highly trained” “specialist” “doctors” and “psychiatrists” deemed the child killer“rehabilitated” and long overdue for rejoining society? Has new evidence about his mental state at the time of his crimes come to light? Maybe as a child Huntley's teen-aged babysitter bounced him in his playpen a little too vigorously, all that bouncing causing one of her firm, teenage breasts to pop out of her bra and half buttoned blouse then poke baby Huntley in the eye. Such a traumatic experience must surely have effected the infant, causing reoccurring nightmares that have continued into his adult life. Conclusive evidence, therefore, that Huntley should be released with immediate effect; he killed Holly and Jessica purely because of the trauma he had suffered as a child. You see, he's not so bad after all! For the highly trained specialist team it's case closed.

Poor Sara Payne must think similarly whenever that other monster, Roy Whiting, who murdered her beautiful little girl, Sarah, is in the news. Are the specialists working hard behind the scenes to show us old Roy isn't so bad either? You never know in this country. You just never know! It wasn't until late 2011 that Sarah's Law finally got through the British Government's rigid concern for paedophiles human rights nonsense and came into being across England and Wales, almost 10 years after Sara begged the Government to implement the law and protect British children. Megan's Law has been in force in the US since 1994! Please, whatever your position on the death penalty, don't EVER think that the British justice system is, in any way, superior to that of the United States, and do not ever say it to me, down the pub or anywhere else, because I'm going to punch you in the eye if you do, hard!

Next time I hope to get around to talking about the two documentaries and their stars... Hank Skinner, Linda Carty, and that Prince of Goodness himself, Clive Stafford Smith. Yes, him. I'll share with you my confused mind on the death penalty, too, and maybe you can help me sort myself out, maybe you can.

Until next time, stay safe and thanks for reading.

ps - sorry for the edits. This is actually written for my blog, just thought it might be of interest here, that's all. Also apologies for my British English and some of the words that I have used, I understand they won't mean much to non Brits.

on: March 28, 2012, 01:39:11 PM 15 General Crime / U.S. Crime Related News / DP Sought Against Darren Price And Jerard Davis, 2011 Murders

http://www.dailygate.com/articles/2012/03/28/news/dgc2311934.txt

This site last updated on, Wednesday, March 28, 2012

State seeks death penalty in Tulsa murders

BY THE DAILY GATE CITY

Published: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:38 PM CDT

TULSA, Okla. – Motions for the death penalty were filed Tuesday by a Tulsa County (Okla.) district attorney against two men accused of the murders of a former Keokuk couple.

Jerard Davis, 21, and Darren Price, 19, allegedly gunned down 21-year-old Ethan Nichols and 18-year-old Carissa Horton last fall in an East Tulsa park.

Davis and Price each are charged with two counts of felony murder and two counts of robbery with a firearm. Price faces additional charges of possession of a firearm by a felon and eluding a police officer.

Nichols, who moved from Keokuk to nearby Broken Arrow, Okla., exactly one year ago today with his family, and Oral Roberts University freshman Horton were jogging in the park on the night of Sept. 18, 2011, when they were robbed and shot execution-style. Their bodies were discovered the next morning by dog walkers.

According to police, Price and Davis stole the couple’s car and cell phones and texted Nichols’ family the next day, pretending to be him in order to throw them off track.

Price returned to the scene of the crime after the bodies were discovered, telling a TV reporter he feared for his family’s safety. He and Davis were arrested hours later.

After Horton and Nichols were identified, patrol officers covered the area around the park and found what appeared to be Nichols’ 2001 White Pontiac Grand Am in the Salida Park Apartments. A pursuit of the vehicle ended when the driver, Price, crashed into an apartment building. Police later arrested Davis in a separate location.

Price and Davis’ district court arraignment is scheduled for Thursday, April 26. No trial date has been set.

The death penalty is sought in a small percentage of murder cases in Tulsa County, according to a report this morning from the Tulsa World.








Other link : http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Forgiving-the-killers-of-a-young-couple/Re8IB9EtOEOoLhG3Xr3CZw.cspx

(with video)

March 28, 2012 - 10:32 PM

Reported by: Abbie Alford

Email: aalford@fox23.com

Updated: 9/24/2011 1:43 pm    Published: 9/20/2011 9:38 pm

Police say the two men arrested on murder charges showed no remorse for their alleged crimes.

Darren Price, 19, and Jerard “Jirao” Davis are accused of ambushing, robbing and shooting a young couple at Hicks Park in east Tulsa on Sunday night.

The bodies of Ethan Nichols, 21, and Carissa Horton, 18, were found on the jogging trail the next day by a couple walking their dog.

Tulsa Police patrol, homicide detectives and the Northern Oklahoma Violent Crimes Task Force tracked down Darren Price just hours after the bodies were found, he was in Ethan’s car.

Police arrested Davis not long after Price’s arrest and found the suspected murder weapon inside his apartment, not far from Hicks Park.

In an interview Tuesday, the parents of Ethan and Carissa share their children’s story and their dedication to Christ.

Ethan worked at Blue Bell Creamery and had his Associates degree and wanted to be a graphic designer. His family says he loved Frisbee golf and was an active guy.

Carissa was a freshman at ORU and her parents say she was nervous about earning credit for physical education. She was majoring in music and moved to Tulsa on August 2nd.

Carissa and Ethan enjoyed jogging together, that’s why they were at Hicks Park Sunday night.

Carissa’s father says he talked to her earlier that Sunday; she called to sing an early birthday song. “That was the last time I talked to her. She said ‘well Daddy I'll talk to you later… we want to go the concert,’” says Carissa’s father Rod Horton.

They were headed to a Christian piano concert and Ethan, who always wore tennis shoes, wanted to impress Carissa. "He bought brand new dress shoes so they could be there together,” says Ethan’s mother Teresa Nichols.

Carissa wrote and performed Christian music and always had her guitar. "She loved Ethan. Her world was beautiful. I think for the first time in her life she was exceptionally happy,” says Carissa’s mother Susan Gardner.

The two were from a small town Keokuk, IA but didn’t know each other until recently. Their parents did and when Carissa got accepted to ORU, his mom asked him to help Carissa get adjusted.
"If he got to know you he would do anything for you. He did everything he could to lighten up anything,” says Mrs. Nichols.

Before she moved the pair exchanged Facebook messages, then text messages and then started talking on the phone. Their families say the couple prayed together every night before they got off the phone. They say the couple was destined to be together.

"There will be hard times and a love story," says Mrs. Nichols. Carissa’s mother believes this is where Carissa was destined to be, "Their lives started here. It bloomed and blossomed then it is snuffed out mercilessly,” says Mrs. Gardner.

A tragic love story of two young people whose love for Christ brought them together and was taken away by two robbers who gunned them down.

"We know with all of our hearts the moment the triggers were pulled that they were in heaven,” says Mrs. Nichols.

Police say the suspects, Darren Price and Jerard Davis, showed no remorse.

“They are right where they need to be in this society. We need to warehouse them and that's where they need to be for the rest of their life. If there is any case for a death penalty case this would be one of them," says Tulsa Police Homicide Sergeant Dave Walker.

Ethan’s father is fighting to forgive the men who took away his youngest child.
"I know I have to forgive to be forgiven but I can't find it in my heart for them to,” says Scott Nichols. Ethan’s mother believes he will find forgiveness.

“I can't say I want them condemned to hell because that wouldn't be any better. If they have a chance to know Christ, and really truly know Christ then they will know and realize and feel the anguish they have they have caused by killing absolutely two loving and innocent, wonderful kids," says Mrs. Nichols. "It is so important for us to know, we cannot, I will allow none of my family to see revenge or seek hatred in their hearts because that is Satan. We wouldn't be any better for them.”

Carissa’s mother believes all the anger in the world will still not bring her daughter and her boyfriend back.

"Tulsa needs to know that these were two innocent children. Not doing anything wrong. Their lives were taken in a horrifying way,” says Mrs. Nichols.

They warn others that this can happen to any innocent person. “Continue to remind their kids not to put themselves in a vulnerable position," says Mr. Nichols.
"Don't turn your back on anybody it's just not right. If Tulsa can step up and take hold of that and at least love each other a little bit maybe we can stop some of this next time,” says Mrs. Nichols.

One of the suspects was so bold that he was seen at the park while police were on the murder scene. A reporter even interviewed Darren Price about the murders; he made-up a story about being scared by what happened and not wanting to bring his children to the park.

Price and Davis are charged with two counts of First-Degree Murder and two counts of Robbery. Their bond has been raised to $2,050,000 and are currently in jail.

A memorial service will be held for Ethan Nichols and Carissa Horton on Saturday at their Church, Destiny Church, in Broken Arrow at 11 a.m.

Carissa will be buried in her hometown Keokuk, IA.

Darren Price and Jerard Davis are scheduled for September 27th.







Photos : 1. The murderers Darren Price and Jerard Davis >:( >:(

              2. The two victims Carissa Horton and Ethan Nichols :'( :'(





Rest in Peace Carissa and Ethan :'( :'( :-* :-* God bless you :'( :'( :-* :-*





Anne
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