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on: June 28, 2012, 07:05:58 AM 1 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: 14 Assholes..I Mean Activists Arrested

Anti-Death Penalty Activists Found Guilty for Protest, to Serve Jail Time

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Today, 13 death penalty abolition activists went on trial in DC Superior Court to face a charge stemming from a January 17 arrest this year at the U.S. Supreme Court.  On that date, 14 protestors unfurled a 30 foot banner, which read "STOP EXECUTIONS!" on the steps of the Court.  Such displays of banners are prohibited under U.S. law.

  At trial, the pro-se defendants made a case against the death penalty, and also in support of the 1st amendment. They challenged the constitutionality of the statue prohibiting people from displaying at the Supreme Court "a flag, banner, or device designed or adapted to bring into public notice a party, organization, or movement."

After 6 hours of testimony, review of the evidence and presentation of oral arguments, Judge Juliet McKenna found all 13 defendants guilty and imposed a range of sentences, varying from time served and a $100 fine (plus $50 mandatory contribution to the Victims of Violent Crime Compensation Fund), up through suspended sentences of 5 to 60 days.  Additionally, in various cases, 50 hours of community service was imposed, and/or 1-3 years of probation with a stay-away order from the Supreme Court grounds during probation.

4 of the defendants declared in court that they would not pay any fines or participate in community service for an arrest that they believed to be unlawful and unjust.  The judge then imposed a 60 day jail sentence on 80-year old DC resident Eve Tetaz, and a 5 day jail sentence on Jack Payden-Travers (a Lynchburg, Virginia resident) and Amber and Kevin Mason (both DC residents).  :D

Immediately following court, Tetaz said, "Of course I don't want to go to jail for 60 days.  But 60 days or 24 hours... it doesn't matter.  What is important is that I spoke truth to power, which was the only morally responsible thing to do."

Payden-Travers, Amber Mason and Kevin Mason began serving their sentences immediately Wednesday afternoon, and Tetaz will self report to DC jail on Monday, July 2.

All 13 defendants represented themselves, with DC attorney Mark Goldstone acting as attorney advisor to the group.

The "defendants spoke eloquently and passionately" stated Judge McKenna at the conclusion of the trial.  "What a marvelous example of teamwork."  The judge then commended defendant Randy Gardner for "channeling  your experiences...in productive ways giving back to the community."  Gardner, whose brother was executed by a Utah firing squad in June 2010 said on the stand, "I can't imagine teaching [my son] that it is okay to kill someone for killing someone else."  Gardner's 14-year old son sat in the courtroom watching as his dad took the stand as one of the 3 defense witnesses.

At the time of the January arrest, 5 of the defendants did not carry any identification, and when asked for their names by the police, each responded, "I am Troy Davis."  Troy Davis was executed last September in Georgia under serious doubt about his guilt.  Although this act of solidarity did not result in any increased penalties at trial for the involved defendants, Troy Davis's name and memory were brought into the courtroom.

Daniel Flynn, one of the defense witnesses who took the name of Troy Davis upon arrest, testified on the stand, "Troy Davis represents what is wrong with the system.  Troy Davis is any one of us in this court here today."  Flynn said that because of Mr. Davis's execution, "I had to do  something more.  Something different."

The January 17 protest that resulted in the arrest of 14 activists took place on the 35th anniversary of the execution of Gary Gilmore, the 1st execution under contemporary laws.  The protestors included Amber Mason, Kevin Mason, Eve Tetaz, Daniel Flynn,  Anne Feczko,  Scott Langley, Jack Payden-Travers,  Ron Kaz,  Anna Shockley, Randy Gardner,  Charity Lee,  Rachel Lawler, Jon Dunn and Tom Muther.

This every-5-year protest is organized by The Abolitionist Action Committee, an ad-hoc group of individuals committed to highly visible and effective public education for alternatives to the death penalty through nonviolent direct action.

on: June 25, 2012, 07:25:13 AM 2 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Again: "Life Without Parole" Isn't!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_JUVENILE_LIFE_SENTENCES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-25-10-12-16

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court says it's unconstitutional to sentence juveniles to life in prison without parole for murder.

The high court on Monday threw out Americans' ability to send children to prison for the rest of their lives with no chance of ever getting out. The 5-4 decision is in line with others the court has made, including ruling out the death penalty for juveniles and life without parole for young people whose crimes did not involve killing.

The decision came in the robbery and murder cases of Evan Miller and Kuntrell Jackson, who were 14 when they were convicted.

Miller was convicted of killing a man in Alabama. Jackson was convicted of being an accomplice in an Arkansas robbery that ended in murder.


Life Without Parole will only exist until someone is successful in suing to overturn it.  If it can be done for juveniles, it's only a matter of time before a court rules the 8th amendment prevents keeping adults in prison without the possibility of parole.

The death penalty is not a deterrent; it never will be.  It does, however, absolutely (and irreversibly) protect society against a psychopath murdering an innocent victim again.

on: June 16, 2012, 11:12:28 AM 3 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: Execution Profession?

I wouldn't think of it as a job. More like a service for the greater good.

And with that comment I have became the PTO's most hated  8)

on: June 12, 2012, 08:45:35 AM 4 General Death Penalty / Executed Offenders (Graveyard) / Re: Jan Michael Brawner - MS - 6/12/12

wow are we going to have a real 2 fer Tuesday¿

on: June 06, 2012, 04:56:08 PM 5 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / June 2012 Arkansas Death Penalty Oral Argument

Hello, My name is Johnathan Palmer. I am the son of Carol Heath murdered in 1993 by Stacey E. Johnson. I would like to inform everybody about the Oral Argument being held 6-14-12 at the Supreme Court building in Little Rock. They will be discussing the current method of execution, Lethal Injection. The decision made post hearing will determine whether Arkansas will have a death penalty or not. If anybody has any questions or information about it I would be glad to hear/answer them. I will be attending the hearing in person.   

on: May 23, 2012, 12:13:43 AM 7 General Death Penalty / Executed Offenders (Graveyard) / Re: Bobby Lee Hines - TX - 6/6/12

For a murder in 1991, another delay is ridiculous by any standard. The delay is criminal.

on: May 16, 2012, 09:06:35 AM 8 General Death Penalty / Executed Offenders (Graveyard) / Re: Samuel Villegas Lopez - AZ - 5/16/12

Again, these death row inmates are lucky there is even a chance they could have their sentence commuted. The only reason why you shouldn't be executed is if you didn't do it. Not sympathy because someone molested you, not because you were drinking heavily the night you murdered, and not because of your fake apologies.

on: May 16, 2012, 09:03:01 AM 9 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: from yahho, we executed an innocent man.....

Is there absolute proof we executed an innocent man? I really don't see it.


JT have you read the report? Whats it like?

I havent had time yet but it sounds interesting to me. Plan on giving it a bash this weekend!


Even if he was executed, the death penalty is necessary. I don't think there has been a wrongful execution since that one, especially since we are in the day and age where an execution is less likely to occur due to how many rights the scumbag has.  Sucks if he was actually innocent but doesn't change my stance on the death penalty.

on: May 09, 2012, 11:32:41 AM 10 General Death Penalty / Stays of Execution / Re: Anthony Bartee - TX - new date 05/02/2012

Civil rights? Convicted murderers should have no civil rights whatsoever. >:(

on: May 09, 2012, 03:41:58 AM 11 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: double murderer and class action lawsuit

If the Anglican definition of hell is to be believed, it is now redefined as a 'permanent state of non-existence'. (I hope they emailed God to let him know)

Housing those on DR should, in my view be as close to the redefinition of Hell as possible. The Japanese seem to have this detail quite well sorted, BTW.

Why should these scumbags have any sort of life while waiting to die? Their victims have none at all.

on: May 08, 2012, 12:30:53 AM 12 General Death Penalty / Montana Death Penalty News / Re: MT: Bill to abolish death penalty clears State Senate

JT,

Here is the DPIC list of "exonerations". 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence

Of course, being an anti site, he uses language that gives the best light on the accused and may not best represent the facts of the case.   

Also here is a post from Pam addressing this issue.

http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=2523.msg16127#msg16127

And finally, a piece from Dudley Sharp addressing the issues with the 140 so called "exonerations".

From:  http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-checking-issues-on-innocence-and-the-death-penalty.aspx

The death row 130 "innocents" scam NM
To: New Mexico - Governor Bill Richardson , the Legislature, prosecutors and
                                          media throughout the  state
 
From: Dudley Sharp, contact info below
 
 Re:  fact checking issues, on innocence and the death penalty.
 
It is very important to take note that the 130 exonerated from death row is a  blatant scam, easily uncovered by fact checking.
 
 Richard Dieter, head of the Death Penalty Information Center (DPIC) and DPIC have produced the claims regarding the exonerated and innocents released from death row list.
 
The scam is that DPIC just decided to redefine what exonerated and innocence mean according to their own perverse definitions.
 
How Dieter and DPIC define what "exonerated" or "innocent" means.
 
". . . (DPIC)  makes no distinction between legal and factual innocence. " 'They're innocent in the eyes of the law,' Dieter says. 'That's the only objective standard we have.' "

 
That is untrue, of course. We are all aware of the differences between legal guilt and actual guilt and  legal innocence (not guilty) and actual innocence, just as the courts are.
 
The only issue in the death penalty innocence debate is how many actual innocents are sent to death row and what is the probability of executing an actual innocent. Legal innocence is not the issue, for the simple fact that we cannot execute a legally innocent person.  So the concern is over the actual innocent, those who had no connection to the murder(s).
 
Furthermore, there is no finding of actual innocence, but it is "not guilty". Dieter knows that we are all speaking of actual innocence, those cases that have no connection to the murder(s).  He takes advantage of that by redefining exonerated and innocence.
 
Dieter "clarifies" the three ways that former death row inmates get onto their "exonerated" by "innocence" list.
 
"A defendant whose conviction is overturned by a judge must be further exonerated in one of three ways: he must be acquitted at a new trial, or the prosecutor must drop the charges against him, or a governor must grant an absolute pardon."
 
None establishes actual innocence.  
 
DPIC has " . . . included supposedly innocent defendants who were still culpable as accomplices to the actual triggerman."
 
DPIC: "There may be guilty persons among the innocents, but that includes all of us." I don't know about you all, but I've never killed, nor been a party to the murder of another!
 
Good grief. DPIC wishes to apply collective guilt of capital murder to all of us.
 
Dieter states: "I don't think anybody can know about a person's absolute innocence." (Green). Dieter said he could not pinpoint how many are "actually innocent" -- only the defendants themselves truly know that, he said." (Erickson)

Or Dieter won't assert actual innocence in 1, 102 or 350 cases. He doesn't want to clarify a real number with proof of actual innocence, that would blow his entire deception.
 
Or, Dieter declare all innocent: "If you are not proven guilty in a court of law, you're innocent." (Green)
 
Dieter would call Hitler and Stalin innocent. Those are his "standards".  ;D
 
And that is the credibility of the DPIC.
 
For fact checking.
 
1. "Case Histories: A Review of 24 Individuals Released from Death Row", Florida Commission on Capital Cases, 6/20/02, Revised 9/10/02 at http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/Publications/innocentsproject.pdf
 
83% error rate in "innocent" claims.
 
2. "Is 'the innocence list' an appropriate name?", 1/19/03
FRANK GREEN, TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
http://www.stopcapitalpunishment.org/coverage/106.html
 
Dieter admits they don't discern between legal innocence and actual innocence. One of Dieter's funnier quotes;"The prosecutor, perhaps, or Dudley Sharp, perhaps, thinks they're still guilty because there was evidence of their guilt, but that's a subjective judgment." Yep, "EVIDENCE OF GUILT", can't you see why Dieter would think they were innocent? And that's how the DPIC works.
 
3. The Death of Innocents: A Reasonable Doubt,
New York Times Book Review, p 29, 1/23/05, Adam Liptak,
national legal correspondent for The NY Times
 
"To be sure, 30 or 40 categorically innocent people have been released from death row . . . ".
 
That is out of the DPIC claimed 119 "exonerated", at that time, for a 75% error rate.
 
NOTE:  It's hard to understand how an absolute can have a differential of 33%. I suggest the "to be sure" is, now, closer to 25.
 
4. CRITIQUE OF DPIC LIST ("INNOCENCE:FREED FROM DEATH ROW"), Ward Campbell, http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DPIC.htm
 
 
5. "The Death Penalty Debate in Illinois", JJKinsella,6/2000, http://www.dcba.org/brief/junissue/2000/art010600.htm
 
 
6.THE DEATH PENALTY - ALL INNOCENCE ISSUES, Dudley Sharp
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/all-innocence-issues--the-death-penalty.aspx
 
Origins of "innocence" fraud, and review of many innocence issues
 
7. "Bad List", Ramesh Ponnuru, National Review, 9/16/02
www.nationalreview.com/advance/advance091602.asp#title5
 
How bad is DPIC?
 
8. "Not so Innocent", By Ramesh Ponnuru,National Review, 10/1/02
www.nationalreview.com/ponnuru/ponnuru100102.asp
 
DPIC from bad to worse.

Hope this is what you wanted JT, enjoy!

Hutch

on: May 06, 2012, 08:06:56 PM 13 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: double murderer and class action lawsuit

If he didn't like these "conditions" then I guess he shouldn't have done the crime eh?  8)

on: May 06, 2012, 10:42:47 AM 14 General Death Penalty / U.S. Death Penalty Discussion / Re: double murderer and class action lawsuit

This 'appalling' situation can be easily resolved. Execute them quicker.
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