So what if he is going to be executed 30 years later? still remains the fact that he DID commit a murder. If in all these years he took the time to change his mind then I am happy for him, but this will not bring his victim back.
Just a note: Tookie Williams spent 25 years on death row and without doubt changed his behaviour behind bars by writing books and stuff, but he killed four innocent people in cold blood and had to pay for his actions. The same goes to Powell, it's time to pay now.

My words and my thoughts on this matter have been twisted and misconstrued on another thread.

My last name is Salazar. My ex husband was second generation legally born in the US. His father was Richard Frank Salazar who valiantly served 3 tours in Vietnam. Before his death on March 22, 1969.

This is his page

Look at his honors ..not too shabby!

Richard Frank Salazar
Sergeant First Class

PERSONAL DATA
  Home of Record:  Kingston, WA
  Date of birth:   06/10/1938

MILITARY DATA
  Service:         Army of the United States
  Grade at loss:   E7
  Rank:            Sergeant First Class
  ID No:           19609686
  MOS:             05B4S: Radio Operator (Special Forces Qual)
  Length Service:  12
  Unit:            DET A-333 (CHI LINH), A CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

CASUALTY DATA
  Start Tour:      01/13/1969
  Incident Date:   03/22/1969
  Casualty Date:   03/22/1969
  Age at Loss:     30
  Location:        Phuoc Long Province, South Vietnam
  Remains:         Body recovered
  Casualty Type:   Hostile, died outright
  Casualty Reason: Ground casualty
  Casualty Detail: Gun or small arms fire

URL: www.VirtualWall.org/ds/SalazarRF01a.htm

ON THE WALL        Panel 28W Line 014

After a seek and destroy mission my father in law was checking to make sure charlie was DEAD..he kicked him over and charlie planted a .45 slug in his head!

It sucks that I never knew Mr. Salazar, I am sure he was a wonderful man.

On leave in England he met Katherine Ann Kinnealey an Irish ballerina waitress. They fell in love and the rest was history.

Mr. Salazar had 3 sons one of which I married. BMCS (SW/DV) USN Ret. Who was a highly decorated sailor, won sailor of the quarter on numerous occasions, and went beyond the call of duty to become JUMP  MASTER QUALIFIED @ SEAL Team six.

3rd generation produced Michael David Salazar.
14 shots 9 kills Iraq
7 shots 7 kills Afghanistan!

And then there is Hailey...05/14/93   06/18/04 

My point here is if some of them had not slipped through..my life would have been completely altered!

I have been ranting here about the evil of illegal Latinos and the destruction they bring to us.    However, I want to warn you about overplaying the "illegal" part.   The danger is that once the "illegals" are legalized we will be left with nothing to complain about.   They are legal now so what's your beef?    What the legalizers will not say is that the legalization will make the tsunami we all remember look like a ripple in a pond compared to what the legalization will unleash.   

Just imagine if the 12 million illegals came here as "legals" or get legalized.  There wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it except wait for the next 30 million to join the 12 million because "the families should be allowed to unite".    As illegals, they can't pull this stunt right now.   And we have a better chance of forcing them back by deportation or by turning off the magnets.   

The problem is not so much that a person is here legally or not.  The only practical difference is that the illegality gives the feds a legal basis to deport.   This option wouldn't exist if they were here legally.   

The real problem is the sheer number of people that dilute our national identity.   Unfortunately, we got intimidated to the point of being absolutely scared to say what I just did.    Actually, we are so brainwashed that we pretty much accepted that just being illegal, which would get you a 2-year sentence in the rathole called Mexico, is not or should not be enough of a reason to deport.   We need something really bad on top.   Mexico doesn't need it.  200 other countries don't need it.  But we do. 

So today they have to commit a felony to get a one-way ticket.     Soon, it will be murder with special circumstances.   

If the above is not clear by now, here is the bottom line:  the real danger are incompatible alliens.    Their legal status is a boogeyman we may have inadvertently helped set up to our own detriment.   

I hope this is an ok thread to post this and it is kind of long....

 I am just disgusted by the "illegals" protesting against our laws and demanding their "rights."  And I am equally appalled at the members of Congress fawning over the President of Mexico while he criticizes our attempts to secure our border from essentially, criminals who come over the border illegally. 

There is also a part of me that takes pride in the reputation of the United States that even in these days of economic problems, people from other countries want to come here for the chance for a better life.  Those of us who live here legally should count our blessings.

A story that I am proud of and would like to share:

My paternal grandparents were born in Mexico (the state of Chihuahua) during the 19th century and had their first 4 children (all daughters) while living in Mexico.   A revolution broke out in Mexico in 1910 which was basically an agrarian revolution where the aristocracy was attacked by the likes of Pancho Villa and his hordes with the goal of "distributing" land to the landless.  My grandparents owned 250,000 acres of rich cattle and wheat land, as well as silver mines.  My family held off until 1913, but violence reached closer to home when Pancho Villa's hordes murdered a family member by locking her in the barn with a baby in her arms and setting the barn on fire.  As you can probably guess Pancho Villa is no hero in my family.  At the time, the United States was accepting refugees escaping the violence of the Mexican Revolution.  In 1913, my grandfather and 4 aunts  came to the US and settled in El Paso where they had 5 more children including my father.

My grandfather established a neighborhood grocery store and the family lived a fairly comfortable lower middle class lifestyle.  Although they left much of their wealth behind, my grandfather was grateful to the United States and named one of his sons after Woodrow Wilson, who was president at this time.  The grandfather reportedly said, the Mexican flag was the flag of their ancestors, but the United States flag was the flag of his children.

All three of his sons served during World War II.  My dad started his US Army career as an enlisted man serving in an all Mexican - American (I'm using this term for simplicity) unit.   Because he had completed two years of college by 1940, and was studying to be a metallurgical engineer, he was accepted to Officers Candidates school.  He served in North Africa and Italy during WWII and by the end had achieved the rank of Captain.  And this is from someone who experienced real discrimination in El Paso - signs on the swimming pool read "no dogs or Mexicans" allowed.  He ended his military career as a full Colonel (he declined promotion to General) and also worked while simultaneously serving in the US Army Corp of Engineers Reserves, for the Air Force as a civilian in the capacity of a metallurgical engineer.  The Army paid for his doctorate in engineering. 

I know I have gone on forever, but I get tired of hearing the crap that Mexicans don't get a fair shake and they face discrimination and can't make it in the US.  I'm proud of my father's accomplishments and dedication to his country.

Dee

You all need to open your eyes more and your mouths less!!!!!

And YOU need to @#$*&, stick it in your %^&*@, and then go $#@%./..  While you're at it, why don't you  $@^%$, and then, $%&*$... 

Don't you have a prison visitation to make?...  Hurry, you won't want to be late for your "date"....      

DoNotJudge - It seems as though you are unfamiliar with the laws of Texas and their capital punishment laws.  Perhaps it is time for you to do some research and then come back to us with some knowledge.  As for asking us to not judge, well the state requires us to judge by sending us little note cards in the mail called "Jury Summons".  We in the United States are REQUIRED BY LAW at show up and JUDGE the evidence put forth at a trial.

If you love your God so much, please read your Bible.  You will find a passage where it states "An eye for and eye".   I personally would prefer the states to carry out their punishment using the "eye for and eye" method but that is not what the laws will allow.

"The murder of a human is a terrible tragedy!"  Yes indeed it is, but Jones has proven over and over again he is not human.   How inhumane is it that he responded when questioned as to why he kill, "So he could never see his son again."  Real nice huh?
   
Like everyone else said, if you don't like our site and you can't have a justifiable debate, you are so free to return to your Anti-Ho site

Okay, I'm going to take a stance here.  From the thread:  The Bible-- The Old and New Testaments support the Death Penalty http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=5892.0

There are many people who will admit that the Old Testament supports the death penalty, but deny that the New Testament does also. That is just not the case, as we will now show. The first thing to notice in the New Testament is that Jesus Christ never said anything against the death penalty. In fact, he specifically stated that he had not come to put an end to the Law.  Even when he appeared before Pilate, Jesus never denied that Pilate had the legal authority to execute him. If he were against the death penalty, this would have been a good place to say it. In fact, there is no record of any person in the Bible stating that the death penalty is wrong in the eyes of God.

It is clear that the Apostle Paul did not consider the death penalty an ungodly thing. When he was on trial for supposedly causing riots across the Roman world (Acts 24:5), he made the following statement: “If I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I refuse not to die” (Acts 25:11). It can hardly be imagined that Paul would say such a thing to a Roman governor if in his heart he felt the death penalty was wrong. Since Paul was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:25-29) and was being accused by Jews, he could probably have found a way to save his life, so it would not have made sense for him to mention the death penalty if he believed it was wrong. Acts 24:26 says that the Roman governor was hoping for a bribe, a fact that Paul could not have been ignorant of. Thus, a study of the New Testament reveals that it supports the death penalty just as the Old Testament does.

Well I wouldnt want to be in your shoes when you meet your maker. It is terribly hot in hell!

So, donotjudge, you are taking a stance that is not supported by the very bible you swear by!

Again, why does God command the death penalty? Why would a loving God allow a convicted murderer to be executed and supposedly end his chance to repent and change?

The answer to these questions is plainly revealed in your Bible as being the resurrection of the dead. All unconverted sinners will be raised alive from the grave while Christ is ruling the Earth, and then they will be given a chance to learn and change.

The pagan teaching of an ever-burning hellfire to which most professing Christians today would condemn the executed murderer is nowhere found in your Bible!

In Acts 24:15, the Apostle Paul plainly stated “that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.” Paul wrote at length regarding the resurrections in i Corinthians 15.

Imposing and carrying out the death penalty stops the example of lawlessness in society which can corrupt other human beings into the same wrong ways of violence and murder. Swiftly carrying out the death penalty also prevents the murderer from continuing in a downward spiral of ever-deepening rebellion against God’s law. The longer such a person is allowed to live, the more deeply entrenched will become their evil habits and twisted and corrupted human nature, all of which must be changed when the person is resurrected to physical life in the second resurrection!


All of this business about hellfire and eternal damnation is from the Catholic Church inserting its dogma of fear mongering of the afterlife into the other religions.   Thank Dante for his very terrifying input into the religions!    The religions have picked it up and run with it throughout history without any verifiable word on it in the bible itself.  More intrusion of man and his ideas into God's rules of order for our life.

So, donotjudge, you might want to follow your own moniker and donotjudge the members of this site for their views, because if you do believe in the words of the bible, you surely have not read all of it, for if you had you would not have come to the fallacious conclusion you hold.   

Your views and beliefs are all wet for sure.

The difference between what he did and what the state of texas is doing is called LAW.  He took a life ilegally the state of Texas is taking his legally.  Its as simple as that.  It has nothing to do with the bible, religion or god.  It is purely a lawful decision this man broke the law and now has to be punished that punishment requires the state to take his life.  He knew what the consequencies of actions would bring him, he made his choice, he took his chance and he lost.  What gets lost in these discussions is the victim, we read so much bullshit about the criminal the victim gets swamped and because hey are dead don't have a voice, we try and be that voice, we stand up for the victim.

The victim can no longer speak, coming here and having a go at us just continues the abuse of the victim, listen dude i am going to as you a question here i hope you answer.

Why is it you came here, come on please don't tell us a load of porkies, i want to know why you decided to sign up and post what you have.  I look forward to reading your answer

Have a nice day

Mark

I would put the veteran and his wife up as my heros of the hour.   

Thank God he had a gun and could defend himself, or he and his wife would have been the statistic instead of the armed intruder.

OH SHOOT!  That's one less for the antis on PTO to take up his cause and worship as innocent.   One less for them to mourn over and masturbate with his ashes!

I can just hear them on PTO now:

"Thet nassy ole vetrin done killt that wonnafull man, and all he reely wants uz jus to use the fone n' giv em  reelllly big hugz.  Gawd amitey.  They uz sure qik on a trigga finga."

DoNotJudge - It seems as though you are unfamiliar with the laws of Texas and their capital punishment laws.  Perhaps it is time for you to do some research and then come back to us with some knowledge.  As for asking us to not judge, well the state requires us to judge by sending us little note cards in the mail called "Jury Summons".  We in the United States are REQUIRED BY LAW at show up and JUDGE the evidence put forth at a trial.

If you love your God so much, please read your Bible.  You will find a passage where it states "An eye for and eye".   I personally would prefer the states to carry out their punishment using the "eye for and eye" method but that is not what the laws will allow.

"The murder of a human is a terrible tragedy!"  Yes indeed it is, but Jones has proven over and over again he is not human.   How inhumane is it that he responded when questioned as to why he kill, "So he could never see his son again."  Real nice huh?
   
Like everyone else said, if you don't like our site and you can't have a justifiable debate, you are so free to return to your Anti-Ho site

I am so sick of the administrations, past and present for allowing this hostile takeover of our country, by illegals, to get their votes.


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

Maybe so, but the cold hearted little monster will be out of juvenile detention in a few years, having learned the lesson that if you leave your victims alive then you will have a witness to testify against you.  So other senior citizens will eventually have to die for this baby faced floater to get caught in the future!

Yep, and the outcome will be about the same. Smart money says this little creep will end up on DR or LWOP one day. The only question is how many people will he hurt before then.... 

well i happen to be a friend of the family and i dnt care what yall think  2 wrongs dont make a rite ppl can say what they want but what does that teach we shouldnt kill but to be taught a lesson they can kill us it says in the bible no one should kill but 4 some reason the law thinks they r excused from that well anyway it doesnt matter cuz its already done but instead of one person gone now that makes 2

 
Jazboy - can you please direct me to where in the Bible is says "no one should kill".  I can quote you chapter and verse where the Bible does say "An eye for an eye".  Would you have preferred that your "friend" be shot in the head after being terriorized?  I would have celebrated that more than the peaceful death he was allowed personally. 
 
I am at a complete loss as to why you think it is wrong to punish Alba for killing his wife and shooting her friend 6 times after she refused to post his bail for molesting a child.  This man proved that he could not be rehabilitated by any and all the programs offered to him during his previous time in prison. 
 
His execution should not and will not be thought of as a "killing".  Perhaps if you thought of his execution as him being punished for his crimes, you will have a better understanding of the criminal justice system in the United States.
 
As long as the laws of the United States and each individual state are upheld, your argument of "two wrongs don't make a right" really don't have any merit.  If you are so adamant that the laws of the United States are so wrong and vile, I'm sure Mexico, China, Iran or numerous other countries will welcome you to move there and have you beg for sanctuary from the laws of the United States.

If you need help packing, maybe we can get Texas to spare a couple of their death row murderers and rapist to help you and your family get on your way.  Would you like your wife and children in direct contact with the likes of some of them?  I highly doubt it, but to each his own.
 

I'm not sure he was really criticizing anyone. I know what he means about the hooping and hollering, at first it is a bit unnerving but if you stay around for awhile you see that the members here really do honor the victims, what they are celebrating is justice being served in the memory of victims, no one is celebrating an execution for the hell of it. Truly, it is all about the victims.

Quote from: victim family bryan on May 25, 2010, 09:00:12 PM

With respect to all here who support the death peanalty, I have very mixed emotions on the subject.  My Name is Bryan Lanier and Wendy alba Lanier is my sister.  I was 11 years old  when she was taken from my family and I.  I have spent the last 19 years fantasizing about how to Kill John Alba.  When I was 23 years old I decided that in order for myself to be able to have some sort of peace in my soul that I must try to forgive the man who took away the opportunity for me to get to truly know my sister Wendy, yet I continued to plan/fantasize about how i would exact vengeance.  Though I know in my heart that i let him go I can not help but feel like my sister finally is vindicated.  Thank you for your wishes and thoughts for my family, but please take a step back and analyze really and truly all the different angles involved in such situations.  My family was only interested in the death penalty in this case for a simple reason, we feared for the lives of others.  I am an EMT an have an obligation to try and save all the lives that come into my Rig even murderers.  There are numerous posts on here by the same people.   Life is really too short and too precious to spend so much time cheering the death of others, please consider this, you can be happy and relieved when a horrible person is executed however I find it heartbreaking to see so many people truly revel in it.  Take this how you will but know that in my opinion Wendy would not have wanted people to CELEBRATE DEATH of any KIND.  WENDY would want us all to celebrate LIFE.

Hi guys. Long time reader, first time poster. I've read all the posts in this thread, including 1976 and Jacques response to Bryan.  I agree with Bryan that there are people posting on this site who make me shake my head with sorrow when they revel in the execution of a murderer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending murderers and agree with the DP, but not in all cases. I just struggle with some posters on here who's posts reflect something beyond celebrating the rights of the victims and their families. There's a kind of righteous glee in what is a human tragedy for all concerned. I guess as 1976 said, that lots of posters on the site are touched in a very personal way by murder and are working that out in whatever way they can. I've never been personally affected by that so can only imagine what it would feel like to be in those shoes.

cheers

Dave

Welcome to the site Dave. I am very much pro-dp but I am very much against the time lag that is currently between sentencing and actually happening. There are too many sitting on death row that have been there for 10plus years. I understand this is a sentence that, once done, can't be undone. It is a sentence that is usually reserved for only those crimes that are so heinous the ONLY possible resolution is for that person to pay the ultimate price...their life. After watching these cases drag on for years and years with EVERY conceivable excuse/reason why they shouldn't pay that ultimate price, we celebrate the end of the stalling ludicrous tactics the defense has to offer. EVERY single one of these criminals ALL claim that they are 1. Mentally deficient (aka tard card) 2. Didn't know what they were doing because of drug/alcohol abuse, 3. Incompetent lawyers, 4. Had a horrific childhood, 6. Lethal injection will cause their client unbearable pain and suffering, and my all time favorite excuse-5. He is a changed man! He got religion or he now mentors others. He's not the same person that committed that monstrous crime! ...I'm sure you get the picture...it doesn't matter what he is now or what he's doing now. He took someone's life in a manner that is TOTALLY unacceptable to society. While he is sitting there on death row alive and able to communicate with his loved ones, the family of the victim(s) are left with what? A big fat NOTHING. They didn't have a say on whether their loved one deserved to die or, most times, even get to kiss their loved one and tell them how much they are loved. The frustration of seeing this scenario played out time after time after time is ridiculous beyond description. Don't even get me started on the "groupies" that chase after these prisoners and are TOTALLY convinced that they "know" their death row love would NEVER be capable of murdering anyone...especially in the fashion they were accused of. My God! Most of these women have only corresponded with these cons through letters and reach these conclusions after less then 5 letters! They are ALL convinced that a ton of innocent people have been executed because every stinking last one of those on death row are innocent! It just amazes me how gullible these women are...and how much in danger they would be if these turds get out.

We get that it is the obligation of the defense to do everything in their power to save the life of their client. I applaud their ability to look beyond what that person has done and do a job that really is thankless. I just get tired of the same rhetoric and the same lame excuses time after time.

I haven't had the experience of some on this site but I have done enough reading both here and other sites to know THIS is THE best site online. They don't mince words here and they don't apologize for how they feel.

Celebrate and remember the victim and their families and screw the death row denizen.

~ Brenda ~

Quote from: Michael on May 26, 2010, 12:27:17 PM

Cold hearted people like you see just the criminal and not the child. 

I think it´s cruel to sentence a minor to LWOP because he´s not an adult and he has not the experience an adult has. I thknk this is the reason for the SCOTUS.

Michael

I think that's EXACTLY the reason Michael..  The court will find that as a 9th grader (what does that make him, like - 13 or 14 years old?), he has not the maturity nor the intelligence level to necessarily make rational decisions based on life experience...  The same argument applies to the decision by SCOTUS for eliminating a juvenile - under the age of 18, from being eligible for the death penalty.

Maybe so, but the cold hearted little monster will be out of juvenile detention in a few years, having learned the lesson that if you leave your victims alive then you will have a witness to testify against you.  So other senior citizens will eventually have to die for this baby faced floater to get caught in the future!