Ever noticed how women get a lot of love from the anti side of camp in comparison to the men? When women get executed it often makes international news.

Good job USA, he deserved everything he got. 

Just have to be on our toes for any potential retaliation, this one is going to hit the morale of the terrorist community hard.

Quote from: JeffcoCitizen on March 31, 2011, 06:36:34 PM

A group of 14 protesters appeared about a quarter-mile from the prison entrance just before the execution began.

I find it funny that the fat, unattractive ones don't get the same amount of love and support. 

Ever so strange that eh?  It seems not all the anti protesters are so high-minded in their rejection of the DP.

Probably the same reason why (from what I've seen) female offenders seem to get support sooooo much easier.

@ggbop:You guys really make me laugh at the way you quote me by rearranging my words, adding some to suit what you would like to think I said, i.e. , "he recognised her and saw her death".  Are you delusional or just think if you print lies that others will believe it?  You said that, not me and not Stroman!  I have no idea where the "wanna be wives" came from - hilarious, you have no idea who you are talking to and invent lies when you cannot understand an opinion that is different from yours.  I can definitely understand desires of revenge and I definitely feel 100% sympathy and empathy for the victims of violent crimes and their survivors.  Do you understand we are at war, killing Muslims as I speak, not to mention they want us dead and they started the war with attacking us on our home land first!  They have killed and destroyed thousands of American lives, not just the men, women, and children in the towers but their loved ones as well.  If you do not believe in the Muslim religion, they want you dead.  They believe to kill a non-Muslim is an assured ticket to heaven.  I suppose you support that also and the Catholic Church who love little boys.  I do not hate them, I just don't want them here in America where they try to kill again with their homemade bombs.  Just one more reason I do not feel Mr. Stroman deserves to die when American is doing the same thing; he was just "one" of the first to do it in our homeland.  Of course he made an identy mistake, he openly admits to that and always has.

Your sorry, self-serving prejudices are not going to get you anywhere on this forum, especially if you use them to support a hate crime murder. Can you not see that this blanket prejudice is the same blind hate that fuels radical Muslims to denounce all Westerners? You have (wrongly) chastised members for confusing a religion with a country and subsequently committed the very same fallacy yourself. We are at war with a Country not a religion. You are defending a man who callously murdered innocent men and destroyed the lives of innocent families. It is a far cry from what is happening with the war.
This comment is so abhorrent to me that you are becoming number two on my ignore list alongside someone you probably would have got along with... 

He totally admits to murdering the Muslims (a religion-not a country) and they were wearing the sheets on their heads. 

"Wearing the sheets on their heads"

How sweeping a generalisation do you want to make? It's completely irrelevant whether or not these men were of Muslim religion or not. None of them deserved to die, period.

I think this fairly old article is quite telling:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1909683.stm

Wednesday, 3 April, 2002, 20:12 GMT 21:12 UK
11 September revenge killer guilty

 
There were several revenge attacks in the wake of 11 September

A jury in the United States has convicted a man who shot dead an Indian immigrant in the aftermath of the 11 September attacks.
Mark Stroman told police that he killed Vasudev Patel, the owner of a petrol station in Texas, last October because he wanted vengeance for the attacks on New York and Washington.
Stroman has also been charged with another murder and the shooting of a third man - both of them Pakistani.
Stroman faces the death penalty or life imprisonment.
Patel, aged 49, died on 4 October after being gunned down in the gas station he owned in the Dallas suburb of Mesquite, where Stroman lived.
Muslims targeted
Stroman said he had singled him out because he looked like someone of Muslim descent.

"I'm not a serial killer. We're at war. I did what I had to do. I did it to retaliate against those who retaliated against us," Stroman said in a television interview in February.

"He is so full of hate. He said he has skin allergies against people like us. I'm happy he was found guilty so quickly by the jury." Patel's brother-in-law Mukesh Patel said after the conviction.

Arab-Americans were horrified by the suicide attacks
 
The Dallas jury deliberated for less than an hour on Tuesday before convicting Stroman.

Stroman's lawyers did not dispute that he had killed Patel, but they said he did not enter the petrol station with the intention of killing the owner.

But prosecutors pointed to a surveillance tape of the murder, which they said showed Stroman was a cold-blooded killer.

Stroman has been charged with killing a Dallas-area convenience store clerk, Waquar Hassan, on 15 September. He is also suspected of shooting another store clerk, Rais Uddin, who was injured during a robbery attempt.

Both men were Pakistani

This is moronic.

To say that an eleven year old, a terrified, vulnerable young girl who in all likelihood was scared out of her wits didn't do "enough" to stop 18 people, all older than her?

This truly breaks my heart, this takes the blame the victim culture to an all-new sinking low.

And turning on the parents, when they are going though hell already, to apologise for a gang of child rapists? Is this guy insane?

I hope that judge did that to make them shut up. It's disgusting. The whole things makes my skin crawl.

I hope they get the justice they deserve. Prison doesn't take kindly to people like them. 

This guy deserves his sentence but unfortunately he has become the "poster child" (literally) for many rabid ANTI groups saying that the death penalty kills innocents. He has groups all over the world who only hear his side of the story and use it to scream against the DP. They never bother to read the whole story. While his execution is WAAAAAAAYYYY overdue I think the politicians are worried that if they do put him to death it will be like handing the rabid campaigners for the ANTI groups a loaded gun so that they can scream to the world that the US executed "an innocent man".
Its such a crock of political BS and an unfortunate result of too many ignorant people who have access to anti propaganda but who won't take the time to read the facts.

That was my thinking. There could be so many repercussions from executing him politically. Anyone else see SHP getting a little irked off  ? This is a case where justice and the media have become grossly intertwined so that the average person cannot see through to the bare facts any more. This case is a "poster child" (IMO) for not letting advocacy and media groups take over all the coverage. Yes, they are entitled to get involved (and potentially, good can come from them) but the way they have taken this case and run with it (possibly regretting their choice of "innocent" inmate at a later date...) is obscuring the running of the CJS and creating a 'pop' justice that may have no true correlation to 'actual' justice....   

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-03-09/news/ct-met-illinois-death-row-0310-20110309_1_death-row-death-penalty-death-sentences
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-03-09/news/ct-met-illinois-death-row-0310-20110309_1_death-row-death-penalty-death-sentences/2
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-03-09/news/ct-met-illinois-death-row-0310-20110309_1_death-row-death-penalty-death-sentences/3

(page 1, 2 and 3)

Quinn's death penalty ban outrages victims' families
March 09, 2011|By Gerry Smith, Stacy St. Clair and Dahleen Glanton, Tribune reporters

Nuccio DiNuzzo, Chicago Tribune
Tom Nicarico thought his family's long, emotional wait for justice had finally ended in November 2009 when jurors condemned Brian Dugan to death for the rape and murder of his young daughter.

But Gov. Pat Quinn's decision Wednesday to ban the death penalty in Illinois and commute the sentences of Dugan and 14 other death row inmates to life without parole left Nicarico outraged.

"It's not just the murder of my daughter," he said by telephone from his home in South Carolina. "He murdered two other people's daughters and attacked others. This man earned it, and he's not the only one on death row who earned it."

Nicarico's anger was echoed by many victims' families after they learned of a governor's decision to clear Illinois' death row for the second time in less than a decade.

Karen Bond, 63, whose son, Jerry Weber, was killed by Edward Tenney in 1992, also was upset.

"I was really looking forward to sitting in the front row while they executed this guy," Bond said. "Now the taxpayers of Illinois have to pay his room and board."

The death penalty ban comes about 11 years after then-Gov. George Ryan declared a moratorium on executions, citing a Tribune investigative series that exposed how bias, error and incompetence undermined many of the state's nearly 300 capital cases. Then nearly three years later, only days before leaving office in January 2003, Ryan pardoned four death row inmates and commuted the death sentences of more than 160 prisoners to life in prison.

Far fewer inmates were affected by Quinn's decision. And not all relatives of their victims were upset. At least one family was divided.

As a 9-year-old five years ago, Quincy Newburn had urged a jury to give the death sentence to Dion Banks, who was convicted of killing his mother in 2001 during a carjacking while Quincy and his brother, who were 4 and 5 at the time, watched from the back seat.

"I've already forgiven him for what he did, but I want to see justice in action," said Quincy, who is now 14.

Quincy's father, Tyrone Newburn Sr., 53, once felt the same way but has since changed his mind — though not because he has forgiven Banks.

"Just putting them to death would be too easy for the offender, so I figure it would be more of a punishment to let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives," said the elder Newburn, a maintenance worker for Chicago Public Schools.

Quinn's decision Wednesday meant that Andrew Urdiales has now been cleared from death row twice. A former Marine who claims he killed eight women in two states, Urdiales was first sentenced to death in 2002 before Ryan commuted his punishment to life in prison. Then he was put back on death row in 2004 after a Livingston County jury found him guilty of shooting and stabbing a young mother from Indiana.

Urdiales' sister, Cynthia, burst into tears when told Wednesday that Quinn had commuted her brother's sentence to life in prison. His family and attorneys had hoped his life would be spared on the grounds that he is mentally ill, a defense that appellate courts had rejected.

"I'm shocked," she said. "We hoped for this for a long time, but I didn't think it would happen. I'm amazed and thankful."

Richard Runge, whose son, Paul, was on death row for the 1997 rape and murder of a mother and her 10-year-old daughter, was "elated" that his son's life would be spared.

"He is still my son," he said. "I still love him. The Good Lord will decide what Paul's fate will be."

But such feelings were not shared by Rachel Williams, who still has bullet fragments in her skull from the night in 1996 when Daniel Ramsey shot her in the head, killed her 12-year-old sister, raped and killed her best friend, and wounded two toddlers.

Williams was so determined to see her former boyfriend receive the death penalty that she relived the gruesome details of the shooting before a jury twice — the second time after the Illinois Supreme Court ordered a new trial. On Wednesday, Williams said she was reliving that night all over again, knowing that Ramsey's life would be spared while her sister's was not.

"Nobody knows what it's like to hear your sister say, 'Don't shoot me,'" said Williams, 32, of Peoria. "Why should he be able to sit there in prison until he turns over and dies? It's not fair."

Dugan was sentenced to death for the 1983 rape and murder of Jeanine Nicarico, a 10-year-old Naperville girl. Dugan had been serving two life sentences for two other rape-murder cases, but his death sentence brought a major chapter of a long-running, controversial case to a close. Rolando Cruz and Alejandro Hernandez — two of three men originally charged with the girl's murder — served years on death row before they were cleared.

Dugan's attorney, Steven Greenberg, said the legacy of the Nicarico case will be the deep flaws those wrongful prosecutions exposed in Illinois' criminal justice system.

"The fact that Brian Dugan will spend the rest of his life in jail is inconsequential," Greenberg said. "Had we killed Rolando Cruz, that would have been the moral wrong."

But Roger Schnorr, whose sister, Donna, 27, of Geneva, was abducted, raped and murdered by Dugan in 1984, called Quinn's decision "quite aggravating." Schnorr said he met with Quinn for two hours a few weeks ago — along with prosecutors and other victims' relatives — and said the governor seemed "quite uninformed."

Tom Nicarico said his family was never consulted while the governor was mulling his decision. Nicarico said Quinn had given Illinois' most heinous criminals the ultimate gift.

"There are 15 guys who are celebrating in prison today," Nicarico said. "And all of them took a life, at least one, and some took more than one. What Gov. Quinn did is he gave them their lives back."

Quinn consulted with retired Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa and met with Sister Helen Prejean, the inspiration for the movie "Dead Man Walking."

Screwed again by the poisonous penguin! I bet she is practicing her bows and awards speeches already!        

Don't forget the book deal...

Not surprised really just hacked off. Think how many people he has hurt by commuting those 15 sentences. It's a kick in the teeth. All the potential parents, partners, siblings, friends, grandparents etc. I can't imagine how they feel right now  interested to see if there is a backlash.

Mistake is such an inappropriate word here.

To me, if you made a mistake, you honestly didn't realise your actions would result in the reaction that you caused through them.

If we look at a definition for example:

"An error; a blunder; A pitch which was intended to be pitched in a hard to hit location, but instead ends up in an easy to hit place; To understand wrongly, taking one thing for another; To make an error, to do something in wrong way"
(en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistake)

For instance, a mistake in the context of shooting someone (if we stay roughly on track) would be accidentally shooting somebody you did not know was there on a hunting trip.

So for me, using the word "mistake" in this context is completely outrageous. He aimed to kill the poor man. There was no mistake. How could he have "understood wrongly" that it would do anything but what it did? In terms of law you have the 'actus reus' (guilty act) and the 'mens rea' (guilty mind). If you have both, I cannot see how you ever could call it a true mistake.

To make a mistake is to do something without the intention of causing the consequence it resulted in. So to me, Baston did not make a "mistake", he just patently did a WRONG and BAD thing completely knowingly.   

That is so sad 

R.I.P Kathy Taft    

Hope the murderer gets what he deserves.

Well...interested to see how this one goes...I feel so sorry for the families of the victims who hang in the balance 

I have seen alot of children visiting throughout the years and it is so sad . There was this one newer  inmate who had a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old and it was heartbreaking to see those children there . The little 2 yr old kept crying wanting her Daddy to hold her and there was glass between them so he couldnt .It angered me seeing them there because he wasn't thinking about his children when he killed  . Since the average time from arrest to sentencing is 2-3 yrs ,the little one wouldnt even of known he existed if not for bringing her to prison .

I have seen women bring their children to visit their DR hubbies and the kids was calling the inmate Daddy . WTF is wrong with people ,I just dont get it. Kids have no business visiting a DR inmate unless they are old enough to make the request to see them .

 My children has never visited their uncle on DR , because neither me or my brother would allow it and besides he only knew my oldest son who is 28 now . The younger ones was born way after he went in .

I understand taking them to visit if they would be released one day but not to DR . DR was scary for me when I visited  ,a adult , let alone a child . JMO

It saddens me that they forgot about their children when they committed their crime too. Either that or they honestly didn't care enough. How is a young child supposed to comprehend death row or an execution? I don't know if it is more damaging giving them no contact at all or putting them through all the drama. Either way, the offender has helped to damage the childhood of their own children. Truly sad.

Maiken,

It is starting to look to me that you cannot accept that a female can kill a child - whether they are the child's mother or as a random act.  I have come to this conclusion by reading through your posts relating to Henderson and Milke.  Your bias is such that you are starting to believe what you want to believe; because to accept that mothers do kill their children and that b@st@rds like Henderson walk this planet, you have to accept that women are capable of Capital Murder.

I have never been disrespectful to anyone on this board, but you are pushing your luck.  Believe your murderer's lies if you wish, but you will never convince the people here to back you up.  We believe in justice as set down by Judge and Jury, not internet trolls who need to get a life.

Good Grief Maiken, you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.  As I have said before - go talk to other people about Milke's "lack of guilt" because you are wearing out your welcome here.

It seems to be a trend that female convicts get commuted more often and garner more sympathy than their male counterparts. The second one gets close to execution it hits international news. I think you are right, some people just have trouble believing that a mother could do that to a child/ a woman can commit capital murder. Rubbish. Think Rose West, think Myra Hindley (UK cases, but still). I find it uncomfortable that anyone would hurt a child because the thought of it physically repulses me. But that doesn't mean that everyone thinks like me (and the other good members of this board) and therefore I recognise that there are nasty people out there that do things that I can barely imagine.

A child harbours the belief that adults are good and protective because they don’t know better. As an adult you have to accept that the World isn’t always the way you thought it would be when you were young. 

I agree with you both, my part time job is with autistic-spectum individuals, and the second I tell people this, they often revert to thinking that this instantly = out of control/violent. It depends on the level of the disorder and the individual personality, but the most are no trouble at all 90% of the time (there are one or two who are a handful, but there is no question over it - you certainly would not miss it). It's rubbish tricks like this that makes everyone think that mentally challenged instantly = dangerous.