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AnneTheBelgian

http://www.kxlh.com/news/mt-house-kills-bills-addressing-death-penalty-homosexual-acts/

MT House kills bills addressing death penalty, homosexual acts

Posted: Mar 18, 2011 12:03 PM

by Marnee Banks (Helena)

A bill abolishing the death penalty in Montana died in the House Judiciary committee on Friday morning.

MT State Senator Dave Wanzenried's (D-Missoula) bill would have replaced the death penalty with life in prison without parole.

The bill previously passed the Senate in a 26-24 vote.

Also on Friday, the House Judiciary committee killed a bill that would have decriminalized homosexual sex.

MT State Senator Tom Facey's (D-Missoula) bill would have removed language from Montana Code which defines deviate sexual relations as sexual contact or sexual intercourse between two persons of the same sex.

The bill previously passed the Senate in a 35-14 vote.
















Anne
"DEATH PENALTY OPPONENTS WHO TWIST THE TRUTH TO PROTECT KILLERS ARE ALSO TORTURING VICTIMS FAMILIES" (PETER BRONSON, CINCINNATI ENQUIRER,FEBRUARY 3, 2003)

PRO DEATH PENALTY AND PROUD OF IT !!!

JE MAINTIENDRAI (MOTTO OF WILLIAM I THE SILENT, PRINCE OF ORANGE, 1533 - 1584, MOTTO OF THE NETHERLANDS)

DEO JUVANTE (MOTTO OF THE PRINCIPALITY OF MONACO)

PROUD TO BE BELGIAN !!! I LOVE MY KINGDOM !!!

JTiscool

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MT State Senator Dave Wanzenried's (D-Missoula) bill would have replaced the death penalty with life in prison without parole.


I'm sorry but don't most states have Life without parole? Good to see the bill was killed  :)
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

AnneTheBelgian

http://www.ktvq.com/news/group-against-death-penalty-meets-in-billings/

Group against death penalty, meets in Billings

Posted: Apr 15, 2012 10:29 AM by David Jay

BILINGS - A Montana group wants to replace the death penalty with a sentence of life without parole.
That's the mission of the Montana Abolition Coalition, which held ts annual conference at First Congregational Church in Billings,Saturday.

The Montana Abolition Coalition says 140 people have been sent to death row and later found innocent.
Renny Cushing is the executive director of Murder Victims for Human rights. His father was murdered and he says the death penalty does not help the family.

Cushing along with Sabrina Butler, the first woman exonerated while sitting on death row, spoke at a reception at the Yellowstone Art Museum, Saturday night.






Anne
"DEATH PENALTY OPPONENTS WHO TWIST THE TRUTH TO PROTECT KILLERS ARE ALSO TORTURING VICTIMS FAMILIES" (PETER BRONSON, CINCINNATI ENQUIRER,FEBRUARY 3, 2003)

PRO DEATH PENALTY AND PROUD OF IT !!!

JE MAINTIENDRAI (MOTTO OF WILLIAM I THE SILENT, PRINCE OF ORANGE, 1533 - 1584, MOTTO OF THE NETHERLANDS)

DEO JUVANTE (MOTTO OF THE PRINCIPALITY OF MONACO)

PROUD TO BE BELGIAN !!! I LOVE MY KINGDOM !!!

JTiscool

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The Montana Abolition Coalition says 140 people have been sent to death row and later found innocent


Have any of those "innocent" people been executed after 1995?

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Renny Cushing is the executive director of Murder Victims for Human rights. His father was murdered and he says the death penalty does not help the family.


Several other families would disagree.
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

john

The Montana Abolition Coalition says 140 people have been sent to death row and later found innocent.

Abolitionists do themselves no favours when they keep trotting out this number, how many of that 140 were actually innocent?

Naviator

Apparently 140 people. The answer is in the statement.

Hangman1981


The Montana Abolition Coalition says 140 people have been sent to death row and later found innocent.

Abolitionists do themselves no favours when they keep trotting out this number, how many of that 140 were actually innocent?


I do not buy any of it! The abolitionists will throw all kinds of numbers out there to abolish the death penalty, even if it means lying about it.
There is never a shortage of rope.

Hutchsmash


Apparently 140 people. The answer is in the statement.


Actually very few of those 140 were released due to actual innocence.  The large majority were released on procedural errors, prosecutors dropping charges on retrial for various reasons, resentenced to LWOP on retrial, etc.  If you wish I will find the report, which I had previously posted somewhere on this site, which actually broke down the 140 into the reasons each was removed from DR. 

Hutch
"How come life in prison doesn't mean life? Until it does, we're not ready to do away with the death penalty. Stop thinking in terms of "punishment" for a minute and think in terms of safeguarding innocent people from incorrigible murderers."

JESSE VENTURA, I Ain't Got Time to Bleed

JTiscool



Apparently 140 people. The answer is in the statement.


Actually very few of those 140 were released due to actual innocence.  The large majority were released on procedural errors, prosecutors dropping charges on retrial for various reasons, resentenced to LWOP on retrial, etc.  If you wish I will find the report, which I had previously posted somewhere on this site, which actually broke down the 140 into the reasons each was removed from DR. 

Hutch


I would like that. Please do  :)
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

Hutchsmash

JT,

Here is the DPIC list of "exonerations". 

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence

Of course, being an anti site, he uses language that gives the best light on the accused and may not best represent the facts of the case.   

Also here is a post from Pam addressing this issue.

http://off2dr.com/smf/index.php?topic=2523.msg16127#msg16127

And finally, a piece from Dudley Sharp addressing the issues with the 140 so called "exonerations".

From:  http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-checking-issues-on-innocence-and-the-death-penalty.aspx

The death row 130 "innocents" scam NM
To: New Mexico - Governor Bill Richardson , the Legislature, prosecutors and
                                          media throughout the  state

From: Dudley Sharp, contact info below

Re:  fact checking issues, on innocence and the death penalty.

It is very important to take note that the 130 exonerated from death row is a  blatant scam, easily uncovered by fact checking.

Richard Dieter, head of the Death Penalty Information Center (DPIC) and DPIC have produced the claims regarding the exonerated and innocents released from death row list.

The scam is that DPIC just decided to redefine what exonerated and innocence mean according to their own perverse definitions.

How Dieter and DPIC define what "exonerated" or "innocent" means.

". . . (DPIC)  makes no distinction between legal and factual innocence. " 'They're innocent in the eyes of the law,' Dieter says. 'That's the only objective standard we have.' "


That is untrue, of course. We are all aware of the differences between legal guilt and actual guilt and  legal innocence (not guilty) and actual innocence, just as the courts are.

The only issue in the death penalty innocence debate is how many actual innocents are sent to death row and what is the probability of executing an actual innocent. Legal innocence is not the issue, for the simple fact that we cannot execute a legally innocent person.  So the concern is over the actual innocent, those who had no connection to the murder(s).

Furthermore, there is no finding of actual innocence, but it is "not guilty". Dieter knows that we are all speaking of actual innocence, those cases that have no connection to the murder(s).  He takes advantage of that by redefining exonerated and innocence.

Dieter "clarifies" the three ways that former death row inmates get onto their "exonerated" by "innocence" list.

"A defendant whose conviction is overturned by a judge must be further exonerated in one of three ways: he must be acquitted at a new trial, or the prosecutor must drop the charges against him, or a governor must grant an absolute pardon."

None establishes actual innocence.  

DPIC has " . . . included supposedly innocent defendants who were still culpable as accomplices to the actual triggerman."

DPIC: "There may be guilty persons among the innocents, but that includes all of us." I don't know about you all, but I've never killed, nor been a party to the murder of another!

Good grief. DPIC wishes to apply collective guilt of capital murder to all of us.

Dieter states: "I don't think anybody can know about a person's absolute innocence." (Green). Dieter said he could not pinpoint how many are "actually innocent" -- only the defendants themselves truly know that, he said." (Erickson)

Or Dieter won't assert actual innocence in 1, 102 or 350 cases. He doesn't want to clarify a real number with proof of actual innocence, that would blow his entire deception.

Or, Dieter declare all innocent: "If you are not proven guilty in a court of law, you're innocent." (Green)

Dieter would call Hitler and Stalin innocent. Those are his "standards".  ;D

And that is the credibility of the DPIC.

For fact checking.

1. "Case Histories: A Review of 24 Individuals Released from Death Row", Florida Commission on Capital Cases, 6/20/02, Revised 9/10/02 at http://www.floridacapitalcases.state.fl.us/Publications/innocentsproject.pdf

83% error rate in "innocent" claims.

2. "Is 'the innocence list' an appropriate name?", 1/19/03
FRANK GREEN, TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
http://www.stopcapitalpunishment.org/coverage/106.html

Dieter admits they don't discern between legal innocence and actual innocence. One of Dieter's funnier quotes;"The prosecutor, perhaps, or Dudley Sharp, perhaps, thinks they're still guilty because there was evidence of their guilt, but that's a subjective judgment." Yep, "EVIDENCE OF GUILT", can't you see why Dieter would think they were innocent? And that's how the DPIC works.

3. The Death of Innocents: A Reasonable Doubt,
New York Times Book Review, p 29, 1/23/05, Adam Liptak,
national legal correspondent for The NY Times

"To be sure, 30 or 40 categorically innocent people have been released from death row . . . ".

That is out of the DPIC claimed 119 "exonerated", at that time, for a 75% error rate.

NOTE:  It's hard to understand how an absolute can have a differential of 33%. I suggest the "to be sure" is, now, closer to 25.

4. CRITIQUE OF DPIC LIST ("INNOCENCE:FREED FROM DEATH ROW"), Ward Campbell, http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DPIC.htm


5. "The Death Penalty Debate in Illinois", JJKinsella,6/2000, http://www.dcba.org/brief/junissue/2000/art010600.htm


6.THE DEATH PENALTY - ALL INNOCENCE ISSUES, Dudley Sharp
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/03/20/all-innocence-issues--the-death-penalty.aspx

Origins of "innocence" fraud, and review of many innocence issues

7. "Bad List", Ramesh Ponnuru, National Review, 9/16/02
www.nationalreview.com/advance/advance091602.asp#title5

How bad is DPIC?

8. "Not so Innocent", By Ramesh Ponnuru,National Review, 10/1/02
www.nationalreview.com/ponnuru/ponnuru100102.asp

DPIC from bad to worse.

Hope this is what you wanted JT, enjoy!

Hutch
"How come life in prison doesn't mean life? Until it does, we're not ready to do away with the death penalty. Stop thinking in terms of "punishment" for a minute and think in terms of safeguarding innocent people from incorrigible murderers."

JESSE VENTURA, I Ain't Got Time to Bleed

JTiscool

Thank you Hutch. I appreciate you taking the time to post that  :)
My reason for supporting the death penalty? A murderer has less of a right to live than his victim and already presents a danger while incarcerated for life. They have nothing to lose when the most they can get is Life in prison without parole.

turboprinz

Montana judge strikes down state execution method

Sept 7 (Reuters) - A judge has struck down Montana's lethal injection procedure as a violation of the state constitution's protections against cruel and unusual punishment, effectively suspending executions in the state, officials said on Friday.

State District Court Judge Jeffrey Sherlock did not question the constitutionality of the death penalty in Montana, which has two inmates on death row and has executed three since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976.

But he ruled, in a written decision handed down on Thursday, that the state's three-drug execution procedure differed from a two-drug protocol spelled out in law, which he said "increases the likelihood of confusion and error in the process."

Sherlock also faulted a practice in Montana that allows a prison warden with no medical training or execution experience to determine a prisoner was unconscious before a fatal drug was administered.

He also found that the prison official setting up the execution process was not required to have experience with the intravenous procedure.

Sherlock said those concerns and the disparity between the protocol in state law and the one practiced by the Department of Corrections created "a substantial risk of serious harm." He also said the problems could easily be remedied by the Legislature and the state corrections department.

Montana Assistant Attorney General C. Mark Fowler said in a statement that the state was studying the ruling "and determining what options were available to modify the protocol." He added that no executions were scheduled.

Sixteen states and the District of Columbia have no death penalty, and there has been a gradual trend away from capital punishment in the country, with the number of executions falling slightly in recent years.

The decision stemmed from a lawsuit brought in 2008 by the Montana American Civil Liberties Union and attorneys for death row inmate Ronald Allen Smith, a Canadian convicted of shooting and killing two people in Montana in 1982.

Smith's execution was stayed last year pending the outcome of the lawsuit. Smith has also petitioned Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer for clemency.

Ron Waterman, an attorney for Smith, said in a statement that he was pleased the court recognized that insufficiencies in the state's lethal injection protocol "create a situation where execution could inflict pain and suffering."

Convicted killer William Gollehon, the only other prisoner on death row in Montana, was later added as a plaintiff in the case.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2012/09_-_September/Montana_judge_strikes_down_state_execution_method/
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