Started by Yorki3, February 01, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
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Timothy Cole was exonerated by Texas in 2009 after being sentenced to a 25 year term. He died whilst incarcerated. Now yes its not a DP case, but it's a case none the less than was still required the same prosecution teams to test their evidence against the 'beyond all reasonable doubt' maxim. That is no different to a DP case trial. The only difference with a DP trial comes at the sentencing phase - which ignores the evidence and looks purely at the extenuating and mitigation circumstances surrounding the alleged criminals character.But also, how many states are readily going to admit there ruling and legal system has sent an innocent man to his death? Especially the states who love executing people, i.,e. Texas. Also the lack of money and funding that prisoners on death row have is well documented - if they struggle to find adequate defence during there trial and appeals then how will they afford the resources to take on the state after death? Independents have taken out their own reports and returned decisions of innocence...or at the very least serious questions which would fail the 'beyond reasonable doubt test'. If there is a doubt then the DP shouldn't be pursued - In my opinion (I stress opinion here) I do not believe it is right to take any chances with a humans life. Independent cases include Larry Griffin: where the University of Michigan Law School ran a report and returned 100% innocence verdict.
Quote from: Yorki3 on February 01, 2012, 04:11:23 PMYes there have been a number of failed cases. My point would be: Knowing that mistakes have been made, do you think its right to risk the death of an innocent man? As I have said in the deleted thread, I challenge you to name one person that has been executed since 1976 in the USA and was later Proved innocent!Quote from: Yorki3Timothy Cole was exonerated by Texas in 2009 after being sentenced to a 25 year term. He died whilst incarcerated. Now yes its not a DP case...Jim S.
Yes there have been a number of failed cases. My point would be: Knowing that mistakes have been made, do you think its right to risk the death of an innocent man?
Timothy Cole was exonerated by Texas in 2009 after being sentenced to a 25 year term. He died whilst incarcerated. Now yes its not a DP case...
But also, how many states are readily going to admit there ruling and legal system has sent an innocent man to his death?
Independents have taken out their own reports and returned decisions of innocence...
Independent cases include Larry Griffin: where the University of Michigan Law School ran a report and returned 100% innocence verdict
you seem to think you know alot about american justice system for an english person something odd with you
Yorki I want to see where this is proven. I want to see where the state admits it Convicted the wrong person. Also yorki do you know how to tell when a criminal is lieing out his out there azz??? Because I do.
Yorki,First of all, Jim asked you to show ONE case where an innocent person was executed. You didn't, but opted instead to throw out a red herring to deflect that you had no proof and to keep your claim alive and breathing, ie, the Cole life in prison case. Nice try, but..FAIL!Secondly, Troy Davis was guilty as hell. Please come up with some better arguments if you're expecting to sway any of the folks here because they were innocent until PROVEN guilty and sorry, but not ALL of them are "victims" just because you and the rest of the anti's don't like the Death Penalty.Oh yeah...and support for the DP IS NOT falling in the US, it is growing. Please provide me with proof that it is or cease and desist with pushing that personal opinion as factual information.Thank you...
It's all part of her charm...
I also note there is yet no comment on the news articles on Rodrigo, where he ADMITS HIS GUILT on 2 murders.
In another thread Frenchy posted:I am pretty sure that Yorki the Troll has acted for 'Fair Trials International'. This irritating organisation has a number of Nimbys who try to impose the 'British way' on other nations and consider any country that pursues the DP as savages. I insist that Yorky address this.
Firstly, I stressed in my post - try using this ability called 'reading' that Cole WASN'T a DP case but died whilst wrongfully convicted. The point I was raising (I didn't realise just how hard it would be to grasp) was that a DP is not adjudged against any higher barrier for culpability and it is still a trial by juror. It is still 'beyond all reasonable doubt' and the charges are still dealt with by the same legal personnel. I was therefore pointing out this could show the POTENTIAL for mistake in any criminal trial, which includes DP cases. [Please note - I said POTENTIAL. I have not said ALL accused are innocent. Simply that there is the POTENTIAL for mistake. I don't actually expect any of you to recall this part when you respond].
Secondly, where have I have ever mentioned Troy Davis??? Please Copy and Paste MY post relating to Mr Davies. I think you will find the writer of the article, which I copied and pasted, raised that topic (I find the website hyperlink gives a lot of hints that I may not have written the article - for future reference).
Thirdly, I have never said "ALL accused are victims" - once again provide post proof that I have. I will say it again (please note im expecting to have to repeat this at some point in the future) A Large Majority of Accused Are Guilty.
Fourthly, once again your simply just making my posts up for me now. Where have I said that support for the DP is fading. Although now its brought up it has decreased since the 80's when people bloody loved it - couldn't get enough. On the last opinion polls (which dated to 2010) it was 61% in favour with 35% against and 4% abstaining. Its strange how execution levels have decreased year upon year and more states are abolishing it. Why are the 61 losing to the 35?